Yes to the fact that satan was trying to bribe the one who created him.  Satan also bribed Eve to think she could be like the one who made her.edited to correct spelling.

Here we have again an instance where the translators changed the form from plural to singular, the verb is also plural:King James BibleAnd what one nation in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy…[Read more]

Another OT verse where the plural 'Gods' is translated as the singular and so also the predicate which is plural is translated as the singular Gen 20:10 And Abimelech said to Abraham, “What have you encountered, that you have done this thing?” 11Abraham said, “Because I thought, surely there is no fear of God in this place, and they will kill…[Read more]

Here is another from the OT where the plural verb is translated as a singular verb:King James BibleAnd Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.According to the Hebrew, it appears that this verse should say:And Joshua said unto the…[Read more]

Psalm 149:2Here is another with a plural word that was translated as a singular.King James BibleLet Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.If the plural form were left intact, this verse should read:Let Israel rejoice in his Makers: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.Gill's commentary in…[Read more]

Isaiah 54:5″For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth.Very interesting fact about the above scripture is this:”For thy Maker is thine husband – Both these words, 'maker' and 'husband,' in the Hebrew are in the plural number. But the form is…[Read more]

Two that are ONE Mike. You leave that 'that are ONE' out conveniently? Do you desire to deceive and mislead?Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 30 2011,18:35)Hi Kathi,I'm sorry to hear about your friend's tragic loss.  You have missed the point of this thread because I, like an idiot, once again titled one of my threads with misleading words.  The OP shows the intention of this thread, but you sure wouldn't know if from the title I gave it.  I will transfer my OP…[Read more]

Irene,Quote According to you I dished out the accusation that Jesus was created…. However I give Scripture with it…… That it not the accusation that I directed you to that I wanted you to prove, it was the one about me not participating in Mike's thread because I was afraid to discuss scriptures and also that I invented the compound unity of…[Read more]

Irene,Why do you think I put up all those scriptures about the deity of Christ, so that I could prove He wasn't deity? If He is deity, He is eternal.Now about proving things, you have some proving to do here:second and third post down:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….9;st=20Go ahead Irene, prove your accusations…or apologize, I am patiently…[Read more]

Yes, Irene, I believe that Jesus always did exist.Kathi

Hi Paul,The Firstborn of Col 1:15 had to exist as the 'firstborn' before all things were created by Him, so He was born before the ages. The Nicene Creed agrees with this, so does the Chalcedonian Creed and the Anathasian Creed.Nicene Creed:Traditional WordingI believe in one God,the Father Almighty,maker of heaven and earth,and of all things…[Read more]

Mike,Quote I know that because he was born at all, it means he had a beginning.You appraise supernatural birth by natural birth understandings and you can't derive laws of the supernatural from the laws of the natural.  Quote Jesus is the Son OF God because he is the Son OF God.  The words “Son OF God” never, ever mean “God the Son”.  Don't yo…[Read more]

Mike,All fathers by default had a beginning and did not exist at one point, so therefore, by your default logic, the Heavenly Father did not exist at one point? Why compare the supernatural to the natural? Created was not used in reference to the Son, ever, except that all things were created through Him.Scripture tells us that Jesus was the…[Read more]

Pierre,Jesus is both…God and man. He had a God the Father who begat Him before the ages and He had a mother that begat Him as a man.Kathi

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 07 2011,17:43)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 08 2011,03:25)If the eternal Light begets more Light, that begotten Light was always there, just not brought forth until the right time.Think about it. Huge assumption and no scriptural backing.We know that Jesus came from God, but you are saying that he always was, which is different.John…[Read more]

Interesting Jack,Quote Again, the text they used says “Christ” but they omitted it and substituted “Jehovah” in its place.I wonder why they did that.Is it your opinion that the Father is not called YHVH but only the Son is?Kathi

Jack,So when you say “Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God is one Being.” Are you indicating that YHVH is one who is? Or are you saying that YHVH is one person? Or one existence? I am not sure what you mean when you say 'one Being.' Can you help me here to understand you?Thanks,Kathi

Hi Jack,I don't find the word 'being' in the Hebrew text. YHVH is written twice in the Hebrew text. I don't think your translation is the best.I think the better translation would be either:Hear, Israel: Jehovah is our God; Jehovah is one:orHear, Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;I don't know Hebrew grammar so is Jehovah the subject of a…[Read more]

Pierre, A son of man is another one who is man.A son of God is another one who is God.That is what was meant by Charles, I think, and that is what I agree with.Kathi