Mike,Quote I don't see “the Word of YHWH” actually BEING YHWH anywhere in this information.Compare these two renditions of Gen 1:27And the Word of YHWH created man in his likeness,in the likeness of YHWH, YHWH created,male and female created He them.(Targ. Jonathan Gen. 1:27)God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him;…[Read more]

Ok, I dug some up here:This “Word of YHWH” was, according to Targum Jonathan, the Creator:And the Word of YHWH created man in his likeness,in the likeness of YHWH, YHWH created,male and female created He them.(Targ. Jonathan Gen. 1:27)This idea is also put forward in the Jerusalem Targum:And the Word of YHWH said to Moses:”I am He who said unto…[Read more]

I think that ya'll should study how the Jews spoke about 'the Word of God' in their paraphrase of the scriptures. I believe it is called the Talmud or the Targums but if you want to know more, I can dig it up for you.From what I remember, the Jews would replace 'Jehovah' with 'the Word of God' when Jehovah was seen or heard since they knew that…[Read more]

Paladin?Quote Paul tells us reema I S the Spirit. Eph 6:10Finally, be strong in the Lord, and in the strength of his might. 11Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world's rulers…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 30 2011,09:26)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2011,04:26)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 21 2011,04:35)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 20 2011,06:50)Paladin,Quote You are correct, in that spirit is genitive. I've got to stop posting when I get tired.The nominative neuter singular  relative pronoun “o” replaces spirit which is genitive neuter…[Read more]

Paladin,Thank you for your lengthy and in depth response. I will have to look at it more closely when I am in the mood for all that technical grammar info. I'm sorry that you have cancer and have to endure all the radiation. May God give you strength and walk with you through your battles.Kathi

Mike,I can talk to both of them and they both hear me…you need me to talk to both of them!What you have clearly demonstrated in this thread is that if Jesus said exactly what you asked for, you would change it to mean that He was saying that He was our master and ruler. You will never be satisfied till you get to drill Jesus with your…[Read more]

Could you say what Thomas said to Jesus, Irene?John 20:2828Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”Kathi

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 25 2011,16:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 25 2011,14:11)Thanks guys but I did know that theos doesn't always mean God.  Of course all other 'theos' were not begotten that way…as theos, just the only Begotten God, and all others mentioned as 'theos/elohim' didn't have divine nature like HE was born with aside from His Father.  And a…[Read more]

Heb 1:8But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.9“YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.”10And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNI…[Read more]

You are welcome, happyman!Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2011,18:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 25 2011,11:49)Mike,Quote And “begotten” means “brought into existence by a father”, Kathi.  So while I agree that Jesus is the highest of the “many gods and many lords” in existence (NEXT TO the Father, of course), “begotten” is a BIG distinction BETWEEN him and our only UNBEGOTTEN…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 25 2011,12:53)Mike,Quote Kathi, is your last “Theos” meant to be plural?  Because you are saying that “both the Father and the Son are 'MY' GODS, right?It is correct either way…either to express two separate persons who are each a God or two separate persons who are interdependently relating as one God.Bump for…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2011,18:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 25 2011,11:53)Mike,Quote Kathi, is your last “Theos” meant to be plural?  Because you are saying that “both the Father and the Son are 'MY' GODS, right?It is correct either way……So for YOU, “it is correct” to say “both the Father and the Son are 'MY' GODS”?Mike,That was deceitful…[Read more]

Maybe you all would have had a laugh at Thomas in the upper room and would have told him that He has a problem with scripture itself.John 20:2828Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.” Both Lord and God have a…[Read more]

Quote I DO believe that Jesus is the only begotten god.Like I said:If you can't believe that Jesus is the only begotten God, then it just proves that it is by faith and not by sight and that you do not have faith in this truth. I leave you to wait on the Lord to give you faith, Mike, and I will continue to pray for you. I'm done with this…[Read more]

Mike,Jesus IS the Son of God Almighty and that is why He is also a God and not an angel.Quote Jesus had all thingsCol 1:16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.For in Him all the fullness of Deity…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 27 2011,19:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2011,18:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2011,20:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 21 2011,19:42)John 16:15″All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.KathiKathi,Who GAVE those things to Jesus?Bump for Kathi – to get this…[Read more]

Quote (thehappyman @ Sep. 25 2011,22:26)Hi Kathi ,            Who is the Spirit of Theos . I look up the name and found the book of Eph. Paul speaking about the body of the church. I could guess on what you mean, but I rather not and just ask the question.Hi Happyman,I believe that the word 'spirit' has different meanings and to absolutely know…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 26 2011,19:03)Hi Kathi,The doctrine that Jehovah is God Most High and Jesus is the Son OF Jehovah God Most High is the SCRIPTURAL doctrine.The doctrine that Jesus IS “Jehovah the Son” and “God Most High, the Son” is a doctrine of MEN.  (Actually, it's a doctrine of Satan, who was able to convince many MEN that there is…[Read more]