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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 23 2011,16:19)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,21:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2011,16:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,09:30)A God begets a GodA man begets a manKathi,I noticed you used the phrase “God the Son” five times in the post to which I'm responding.  Where can we learn about “God the Son” in the scriptures?…[Read more]

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    Quote (942767 @ Dec. 24 2011,18:51)The following scripture states that there is but “One God”.1Ti 2:5 For one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; They are “one” in the spirit.John 17:21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that…[Read more]

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    Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 22 2011,22:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 23 2011,20:52)Pierre,What does it mean when the 'theos' is also called Jehovah?Kathikathiand what is wrong with that ,Theos= the almighty =the fatherthere is no equal to the father so all other theos no matter if he is called son or not can not be call theos above the Almighty God…[Read more]

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    Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 24 2011,02:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,11:29)Wakeup,Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He begat His Son who is God like the Father God and referred to as the begotten God.  (The two are in unity as ONE God through their Holy Spirit.)  That way one of them could empty Himself a…[Read more]

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    Wakeup and Journey42,Thanks for clearing that up. One more thing, are you both guys? For some reason, I thought wakeup was a gal. Did you two know each other before you came here? Just curious is all. Do take care and I hope your experience here is a fair one :)God bless,Kathi

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    Merry Christmas to those who believe in destroying pagan altars and building an altar for God right in its place and celebrating the truth that the Word became flesh and the whole Christmas story as found in scriptures!  Tonight I am very thankful that there are still people who will stand up and celebrate the birth of Christ in public!!Thank you…[Read more]

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    Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 03 2011,19:32)Mike!  I was reading there…. I also don't believe she will ever again  believe that Jesus was the the created Son of God….it is making me so sad, because Kathi used to believe what we all did, not to long ago….Peace IreneFunny how people comprehend incorrectly. I have been debating Irene from the start t…[Read more]

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    Pierre,Father God and according to the flesh…His mother was Mary.

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2011,16:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,09:30)A God begets a GodA man begets a manKathi,I noticed you used the phrase “God the Son” five times in the post to which I'm responding.  Where can we learn about “God the Son” in the scriptures?  And can we also learn about “God the Accuser” (Satan) there?  If not, why on…[Read more]

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    Pierre,What does it mean when the 'theos' is also called Jehovah?Kathi

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    Mike,I have shown you several times where scripture refers to the Son as Jehovah…the Son is the husband of Zion who is Jehovah. Jacob wrestles with Jehovah face to face. Abraham talks face to face with Jehovah who will judge the whole earth, Jehovah sent fire and brimstone from the Jehovah in heaven, Jesus is called ''Jehovah our…[Read more]

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    Mike,Did God speak to His prophets through His angels in the OT?  Yes or No.Quote And you are right that it doesn't say the word “only”.  But it also doesn't say “In the past, God spoke to us through various prophets AND THROUGH HIS SON”.  “Long ago” seems to be separated FROM “in these last days”, which leads me to believe that “prophets” are se…[Read more]

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    Mike,you said:Quote “Firstborn OF every creature” most definitely refers to the first creature ever created.That is what you say and I believe that would mean that he is the first baby from every creature if he was the firstborn of every creature ever created.  And if he were the first baby from every creature, then he would not be the first…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 4 months ago

    Hi Gene,Gene,Jesus said that He/Jesus was in the Father and that both of them would dwell in believers. A non-deity spirit cannot be at more than one place at one time or in another person. The Father and Son's can.God bless ya,Kathi

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    Mike,I don't agree with your point.Jehovah never directly said “I am I AM.” Do you mean to ask if Jehovah means “I AM” then the answer is that YHVH has the root word hayah which is translated as 'I am.' The point is that scripture tells us that Jehovah always existed.Does scripture tell us that Jesus is also called Jehovah, yes. Therefore the…[Read more]

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    Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 22 2011,03:32)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,11:29)Wakeup,Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He begat His Son who is God like the Father God and referred to as the begotten God.  (The two are in unity as ONE God through their Holy Spirit.)  That way one of them could empty Himself a…[Read more]

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    Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 22 2011,00:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,22:33)Pierre,I encourage you to learn about unity and the story behind the 'stick' remark.  Let's just say that Mike, the one I addressed it to, knows the story.  Are you interested in knowing about how the idea of unity is spoken about in the OT by using the term 'stick?'  …[Read more]

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    t8you said:Quote LU, no one would think to demonstrate that because after reading the bible, we are not posed with such an idea.Then allow me to enlighten you:1. The spirit of a person is called their inner man/inner person/inner self2. That inner person of man is compared to the spirit of God.Here are your proof texts:2 Corinthians 4:16 in three…[Read more]

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    Wakeup are you also journey42?? If so, why?

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    Pierre,Read…the word 'firstborn' does not say 'first created' this is another place where you have to change the words to suit your doctrine.The message of the passage is that the 'image' of God is over all creation and that the 'image' of God created all things in heaven and on earth…I think that the term 'firstborn' confuses you and you…[Read more]

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