Mike,you asked:Quote Kathi, out of all the firstborns of the flock, one of them had to be born the earliest, and therefore be the LITERAL firstborn of the flock. Does calling that one “the firstborn of the flock”, true as it is, imply that “the flock”, as a whole, is his parent? Or does it imply that that one is a MEMBER OF the group called “the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2012,16:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2012,21:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2012,18:36)Kathi, is there any indication from this scripture that the Son through whom the God of verse 1 AND verse 2 spoke is the God who did the speaking?No.Very good.  So, before we move on, we both agree that – according to Hebrews 1 -…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2012,15:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 26 2012,10:38)Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,18:30)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2012,17:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 25 2012,09:52)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2012,20:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,11:29)Wakeup,Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He…[Read more]

Wakeup,I showed you that Christ Jesus emptied Himself…you just quoted the post that had the verse in it. I also quoted you the verse that tells us that Jesus is the only begotten God already and indicated what translation it was from. You denied that it was written. Then you didn't answer my questions. Please go back and find those posts and…[Read more]

Sorry Wakeup,I did not see this post till just now. I see that you have reposted it in this thread:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=150We can discuss it there.Kathi

Welcome Jeremy,I agree that it is more important to strengthen our spirit and seek spiritual discernment and spiritual wisdom. Stocking up food is not an unwise thing though, consider Joseph who prepared for the famine by doing just that and was able to feed many. Local food pantries are quite beneficial when catastrophe hits. Taking care of the…[Read more]

Pierre,Well why don't you just share what type of being the Father is with the other readers then so you can be challenged if perhaps you are missing something or are you not teachable?Btw, I am teachable but when people who do not know what an only begotten son is, then I look to those who do since that is the truth that the church is founded…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,18:30)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2012,17:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 25 2012,09:52)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2012,20:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,11:29)Wakeup,Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He begat His Son who is God like the Father God and referred to as the begotten…[Read more]

Pierre,So you don't know what type of being the Father is. Then stop acting like you know what type of being the Son is. They are the same type when you finally figure it out correctly you will see that is what being an only begotten Son means. You can't say that He is the only begotten Son of God and understand him to be of a different type of…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote Then meaning is clearly that wisdom (Jesus) was the first thing God ever brought forth. God established it (Jesus) before His other works of old.I agree and this does not challenge my understanding but supports it…good for you to see that Jesus could not possibly be a part of the creation of God since He was before those…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2012,18:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2012,17:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2012,19:05)Kathi, is there any indication that the “God” has changed at all?  In other words, does “HE” in verse 2 still refer to the same “God” from verse 1?Mike,The God in verse 1 is the 'He' in verse 2.We are now 4 for 4!  Praise Jah!  1 In…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2012,18:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 25 2012,09:52)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2012,20:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,11:29)Wakeup,Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He begat His Son who is God like the Father God and referred to as the begotten God.  (The two are in unity as ONE God…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2012,19:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 22 2012,23:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2012,20:19)How many of those prophets WERE the God who did the speaking through them?Mike,The prophets in the OT were not God.  That's three for three, Kathi. 1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2012,20:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,11:29)Wakeup,Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He begat His Son who is God like the Father God and referred to as the begotten God.  (The two are in unity as ONE God through their Holy Spirit.)  That way one of them could empty Himself a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2012,21:18)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2012,19:54)The fact is that they teach that GOD DIED FOR OUR SINS.And this is not true. His only begotten son died.Why is it that some people just can't accept that truth?  GOD so loved the world that………….A.  He came and died for us?B.  He SENT His SON to die for us?Which on…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,17:22)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 25 2012,16:09)Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,17:01)KathiQuote Again, the idea the NET translators were intending to convey is that “wisdom existed before creation,…” and “The claim of wisdom in this passage is that she was foundational to all that God would do.” If wisdom existed…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2012,16:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 23 2012,01:54)Mike,Begetting the Son may have been considered a work, the first 'work' but that was not a creating out of nothing type of work.ALL THINGS in heaven and earth came “out from” the Father, Kathi.  Jesus is no exception, as even you admit.I don't know where you get your…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2012,16:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 22 2012,23:19)So Mike,He was brought forth by God HOW, created as a creature or born as an offspring?Can you please answer this question?KathiScripture says Jesus was “begotten”, “born” and “created”.John 112 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,17:01)KathiQuote Again, the idea the NET translators were intending to convey is that “wisdom existed before creation,…” and “The claim of wisdom in this passage is that she was foundational to all that God would do.” If wisdom existed BEFORE creation, then it is not a part of creation,so in your opinion God was…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2012,14:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2012,01:46)Pierre,you said:Quote as for being one well you are wrong they are only one in there comon will Christ did not do like Satan he loved his father Satan did not ,the fact that Christ had accepted to die for US show until what point Christ was ready to prove his love for his…[Read more]