Pierre,I don't see why you say that it doesn't reflect the one in scripture. Can you clarify why you said that?Thanks,Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 28 2012,17:08)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 28 2012,15:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 28 2012,10:01)Kathi, IS THERE ANY HINT WHATSOEVER – in Hebrews 1:1-2 – that the writer might be talking about TWO Gods who spoke to us through prophets and through His Son?YES or NO?Mike………in the first two verses, it is just talking about…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2012,19:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 23 2012,16:25)Marty,In polytheism there is no perfect harmony in unity…there is conflict between the gods.The Father and the Son are in perfect harmony in unity and there is no conflict between them.  They are as one God authority to us.  The Son always pleases the Father, the Son a…[Read more]

This reminds me of “Was Superman half Superman/half Clark Kent?” or “Was he fully Superman while he was Clark Kent also?” “Was Julie Andrews half nanny/half nun in the Sound of Music?” or “Is a baby half a person till they are born and then they become a full person?” Did Superman limit himself during his Clark Kent phase and then unleash his…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 28 2012,11:10)The Job verse is in the 8th post on page 19.  The word is “established”, which you can see from my post is a synonym of “create”.And yes, most translations use “possessed” because they didn't know about the “create” root of the Hebrew word, although they suspected there must be one based on other scriptures.…[Read more]

Pierre,You do not believe that the Son was begotten before the ages? Wisdom was begotten then in Prov 8. When do you think the Son was begotten?Kathi

Pierre,Why would you say that…protestants don't look to the pope or kiss his feet?What part of my belief is not in scriptures? Back up your words Pierre. I say the Jesus is the Son of God for real. Do you not find that in scriptures? Maybe you should find a better translation.Kathi

Mike,You have to read the whole chapter to see that two are called the names of deity, but in the first two verses, it is just talking about one of them speaking to us. My question to you…In John 1:1 is there any indication that there are two theos?Kathi

Mike,I answered this. Heb 1 does not mention the word 'only' but it does mention 'in various ways' so I cannot agree to that.Kathi

Mike,Would you mind showing me the verse in Job that says wisdom was created?Can you admit that most translations do not use the word 'created' in Prov 8:22 and that it is grammatically possible to use 'possessed' or 'establish?'Thanks and have a good Saturday,Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2012,17:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 27 2012,11:37)Proverbs 8 shows us that 'wisdom' existed BEFORE God's works of old.Actually Kathi,Proverbs 8 says that wisdom was the FIRST thing God created.  End of story.  Believe what you want, I will believe the scriptures.  And I will also believe common sense that says a fa…[Read more]

Pierre,If you don't know what love Paul is talking about and you don't know what kind of being that God is, just say so and stop with these games.Get to know what an only begotten son is Pierre…it is the foundational truth that the church is built on. Kathi

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 27 2012,13:09)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 28 2012,11:59)Pierre,'Almost all of you' happens to be only a handful of people and I have shown you verses that say the opposite of what you proclaim. The handful of people here are nothing compared to those who are not here that agree that the Son of God is not a creature but the…[Read more]

Pierre,The love Paul talks about is a 'fruit' of the spirt 'of' God, not the type of being He is. Try again.What type of being is God, Pierre?Kathi

Pierre,'Almost all of you' happens to be only a handful of people and I have shown you verses that say the opposite of what you proclaim. The handful of people here are nothing compared to those who are not here that agree that the Son of God is not a creature but the creator of the creature. There are millions that believe that truth, a truth…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 26 2012,15:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 26 2012,00:06)Was Reuben the literal firstborn of the Israelites…yes.  Does that one “the firstborn of the Israelites,” true as it is, imply that the Israelites, as a whole, is his parent…no, although it implies that Israel was his parent.Ahhh…………..  But was Reuben's f…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2012,13:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 26 2012,10:49)Pierre,Well why don't you just share what type of being the Father is with the other readers then so you can be challenged if perhaps you are missing something or are you not teachable?Btw, I am teachable but when people who do not know what an only begotten son is, then…[Read more]

Pierre,Do you see any verses quoted there that are not in known translations? If you find anything in my explanations that are contrary to scripture you have always been welcome to challenge them. I will then give you more verses to support that and you will see that those verses are also found in known translations. So, what you call 'proof' that…[Read more]

Quote (ftk @ Jan. 02 2012,09:14)Quote (mikeangel @ Jan. 02 2012,23:16)But, this is literal too. Who does these works of charity? Who helps the widows and the orphans and the homeless? Who is at work when Jesus comes in his glory in the clouds? The work is out of genuine love. Not just keeping youself in money and being selfish, but out of love for…[Read more]

Mike,you asked:Quote Abraham is the father of all Israelites, right?  His firstborn son (according to the promise) was Issac, right?  So that would make Issac the “firstborn of the Israelites”, right?  Yet his father was NOT an Israelite, was he?God called Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the fathers of the Israelites, Isaac was never called the fi…[Read more]