Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 26 2012,15:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 26 2012,00:06)Was Reuben the literal firstborn of the Israelites…yes.  Does that one “the firstborn of the Israelites,” true as it is, imply that the Israelites, as a whole, is his parent…no, although it implies that Israel was his parent.Ahhh…………..  But was Reuben's f…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2012,13:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 26 2012,10:49)Pierre,Well why don't you just share what type of being the Father is with the other readers then so you can be challenged if perhaps you are missing something or are you not teachable?Btw, I am teachable but when people who do not know what an only begotten son is, then…[Read more]

Pierre,Do you see any verses quoted there that are not in known translations? If you find anything in my explanations that are contrary to scripture you have always been welcome to challenge them. I will then give you more verses to support that and you will see that those verses are also found in known translations. So, what you call 'proof' that…[Read more]

Quote (ftk @ Jan. 02 2012,09:14)Quote (mikeangel @ Jan. 02 2012,23:16)But, this is literal too. Who does these works of charity? Who helps the widows and the orphans and the homeless? Who is at work when Jesus comes in his glory in the clouds? The work is out of genuine love. Not just keeping youself in money and being selfish, but out of love for…[Read more]

Mike,you asked:Quote Abraham is the father of all Israelites, right?  His firstborn son (according to the promise) was Issac, right?  So that would make Issac the “firstborn of the Israelites”, right?  Yet his father was NOT an Israelite, was he?God called Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the fathers of the Israelites, Isaac was never called the fi…[Read more]

Mike,you asked:Quote Kathi, out of all the firstborns of the flock, one of them had to be born the earliest, and therefore be the LITERAL firstborn of the flock. Does calling that one “the firstborn of the flock”, true as it is, imply that “the flock”, as a whole, is his parent? Or does it imply that that one is a MEMBER OF the group called “the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2012,16:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2012,21:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2012,18:36)Kathi, is there any indication from this scripture that the Son through whom the God of verse 1 AND verse 2 spoke is the God who did the speaking?No.Very good.  So, before we move on, we both agree that – according to Hebrews 1 -…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2012,15:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 26 2012,10:38)Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,18:30)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2012,17:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 25 2012,09:52)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2012,20:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,11:29)Wakeup,Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He…[Read more]

Wakeup,I showed you that Christ Jesus emptied Himself…you just quoted the post that had the verse in it. I also quoted you the verse that tells us that Jesus is the only begotten God already and indicated what translation it was from. You denied that it was written. Then you didn't answer my questions. Please go back and find those posts and…[Read more]

Sorry Wakeup,I did not see this post till just now. I see that you have reposted it in this thread:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=150We can discuss it there.Kathi

Welcome Jeremy,I agree that it is more important to strengthen our spirit and seek spiritual discernment and spiritual wisdom. Stocking up food is not an unwise thing though, consider Joseph who prepared for the famine by doing just that and was able to feed many. Local food pantries are quite beneficial when catastrophe hits. Taking care of the…[Read more]

Pierre,Well why don't you just share what type of being the Father is with the other readers then so you can be challenged if perhaps you are missing something or are you not teachable?Btw, I am teachable but when people who do not know what an only begotten son is, then I look to those who do since that is the truth that the church is founded…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,18:30)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2012,17:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 25 2012,09:52)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2012,20:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,11:29)Wakeup,Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He begat His Son who is God like the Father God and referred to as the begotten…[Read more]

Pierre,So you don't know what type of being the Father is. Then stop acting like you know what type of being the Son is. They are the same type when you finally figure it out correctly you will see that is what being an only begotten Son means. You can't say that He is the only begotten Son of God and understand him to be of a different type of…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote Then meaning is clearly that wisdom (Jesus) was the first thing God ever brought forth. God established it (Jesus) before His other works of old.I agree and this does not challenge my understanding but supports it…good for you to see that Jesus could not possibly be a part of the creation of God since He was before those…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2012,18:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2012,17:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2012,19:05)Kathi, is there any indication that the “God” has changed at all?  In other words, does “HE” in verse 2 still refer to the same “God” from verse 1?Mike,The God in verse 1 is the 'He' in verse 2.We are now 4 for 4!  Praise Jah!  1 In…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2012,18:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 25 2012,09:52)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2012,20:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,11:29)Wakeup,Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He begat His Son who is God like the Father God and referred to as the begotten God.  (The two are in unity as ONE God…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2012,19:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 22 2012,23:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2012,20:19)How many of those prophets WERE the God who did the speaking through them?Mike,The prophets in the OT were not God.  That's three for three, Kathi. 1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2012,20:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,11:29)Wakeup,Welcome to HN!You are right in that God cannot die…that is one reason why He begat His Son who is God like the Father God and referred to as the begotten God.  (The two are in unity as ONE God through their Holy Spirit.)  That way one of them could empty Himself a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2012,21:18)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2012,19:54)The fact is that they teach that GOD DIED FOR OUR SINS.And this is not true. His only begotten son died.Why is it that some people just can't accept that truth?  GOD so loved the world that………….A.  He came and died for us?B.  He SENT His SON to die for us?Which on…[Read more]