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Lightenup replied to the topic Who is the creator of all things? in the forum View Points 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 06 2012,17:22)Deuteronomy 32:6 NIV © Is this the way you repay the LORD, O foolish and unwise people? Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you?Genesis 1:4 NIV © Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a m…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Did God die on the cross in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 6 months ago
Nick,Those who are one in Him and the Father worship both the Son and the Father, otherwise they are not one in them.
Lightenup replied to the topic Did God die on the cross in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 06 2012,16:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 05 2012,17:19)Mike,When the creator is a unity of more than one member, there is no need of pluralizing the word 'creator' when speaking of the unity as the creator, nor is it necessary to pluralize the word 'creator' when there are two if you are just referring to one of them at that…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Did God die on the cross in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 06 2012,16:15)Hi K, Was the reason that they all knew our God lives and none can compare with Him??Yes Nick,That is why they worshiped the Father and the Son.
Lightenup replied to the topic Who is the creator of all things? in the forum View Points 14 years, 6 months ago
Really Mike,You're back so soon!

Lightenup replied to the topic Who is the creator of all things? in the forum View Points 14 years, 6 months ago
Ok, as promised, here are all the times that Proverbs uses the word translated as 'created' twice in Prov 8:22 from the above post of the 15 other translations where it is not translated as 'created' Let's analyze how many times it is also translated as 'created' in Proverbs elsewhere when speaking of wisdom:Prov 1:5NET© 1:5 (Let the wise also 1…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Who is the creator of all things? in the forum View Points 14 years, 6 months ago
Here are the many ways Prov 8:22 is translated:NET 8:22 The Lord created me as the beginning of his works, before his deeds of long ago.New International Version (©1984)”The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;New Living Translation (©2007)”The LORD formed me from the beginning, before he created anything e…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Who is the creator of all things? in the forum View Points 14 years, 6 months ago
When asked for scriptures that said wisdom was created besides the questionable one of Prov. 8:22, I was given this one but I fail to see where it speaks of wisdom being 'created' in any translation. Here are many translations and not one of them use 'created' or a form of the word. Job 28:27New International Version (©1984)then he looked at…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Did God die on the cross in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 6 months ago
Hi Nick,Jesus did allow Himself to be worshipped. There is a reason for that. There is also a reason why the adopted brothers did not allow themselves to be worshiped but worshiped both the Father and the Son.Do take care,Kathi
Lightenup replied to the topic Who is the creator of all things? in the forum View Points 14 years, 6 months ago
Mike,Ok Mike, take care. I may stay and address some of your arguments but you do not need to feel like you have to respond. Kathi
Lightenup replied to the topic Who is the creator of all things? in the forum View Points 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2012,16:30)Kathi,When someone turns 50, do they say they've lived for 50 years and 9 months?And do people, AS A GENERAL RULE, have funerals for their stillborn babies and speak of the great EXISTENCE that child enjoyed?In your zeal to make the scripture teach your unscriptural doctrine, you have started claiming crazy…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Did God die on the cross in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 05 2012,18:15)Hi Kathi, We should worship the same God that Jesus did.Hi Nick,Nice to see you. You are right and we give the same honor to the Son because of it.Kathi
Lightenup replied to the topic Did God die on the cross in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 02 2012,19:17)Your scenario doesn't apply. Mine does. How do I know? Because of the SEVEN different scriptures I've showed you where Jesus is listed as someone OTHER THAN the ONE who created all things.And because of ALL the MANY scriptures that speak of our Creator, while NO SCRIPTURE ever speaks of our Cr…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Did God die on the cross in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 6 months ago
Mike,you asked:Quote Who really installed the cover, Kathi? ABC Pool Coverings? My workers? It doesn't really matter, because the point is that it was installed THROUGH Mike Boll, yet Mike Boll didn't personally lay one finger on that cover.The workers installed the pool cover. Kathi
Lightenup replied to the topic Did God die on the cross in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2012,19:20)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 02 2012,20:57)Pierre,The one Lord has more than one name and title, do you believe this?Do you believe that He is called the begotten theos in scriptures, specifically John 1:18?Do you believe that He is the Word that was God in John 1:1Then it shouldn't be too hard to see that He is…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Did God die on the cross in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 02 2012,18:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,18:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2012,18:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,15:19)Mike,You answered correctly…there are two theos spoken about. 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Who is the creator of all things? in the forum View Points 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 02 2012,15:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 01 2012,21:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2012,18:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,17:40)Can you admit that your son was alive the day before he was born?Sure.Can YOU admit that there was a time when your sons and daughters DIDN'T exist?Mike,There is where you lied. You said 'sure'…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Who is the creator of all things? in the forum View Points 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 02 2012,15:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 02 2012,00:33)You are unusually angry tonight.Would you be happy if I called you a liar?
(The nonsensical, harassing posts from that other fellow didn't help my happy outlook on life last night either.)Sorry for blowing up, but I didn't lie.Hi Mike,No problem…it's cool. If you say…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Did God die on the cross in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 6 months ago
Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,18:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2012,18:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,15:19)Mike,You answered correctly…there are two theos spoken about. 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Who is the creator of all things? in the forum View Points 14 years, 6 months ago
Mike,Quote Kathi, I no longer want to discuss this with you because you just make crap up as you go along. You WANT Jesus to have existed from forever “inside of God”
, but you have no proof that this happened.I believe that God didn't become Father at one point but that He always was. I also believe that the Son is a vital part of who God is and…[Read more]- Load More

