Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 29 2012,21:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,22:43)Pierre,You do not believe that the Son was begotten before the ages? Wisdom was begotten then in Prov 8. When do you think the Son was begotten?KathiKathiso do you now agree that in Proverb it talks about the son of God from verses 22 to 31 in chap;8  ?PierrePierre,I…[Read more]

Mike,Please answer the question:If ABC Pool Cover Company installed a pool cover through employee Mikeboll…who installed the pool cover?Just choose one answer:A. MikebollB. ABC Pool Cover CompanyC. BothIt is important that you answer this with an honest response. If you don't then I will make a poll about it or put you on the hot seat about it.…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 28 2012,23:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 28 2012,11:10)The Job verse is in the 8th post on page 19.  The word is “established”, which you can see from my post is a synonym of “create”.And yes, most translations use “possessed” because they didn't know about the “create” root of the Hebrew word, although they suspected there…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote It depends on your definition of “exist”, Kathi. At that time, my son was totally dependent on another being; and not just dependent, but actually physically hooked to that other being though an umbilical cord. He was not an individual being yet, but yes, “he” did exist.So, one being was totally dependent on another…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2012,18:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,15:19)Mike,You answered correctly…there are two theos spoken about.  1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that…[Read more]

Pierre,I don't see why you say that it doesn't reflect the one in scripture. Can you clarify why you said that?Thanks,Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 28 2012,17:08)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 28 2012,15:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 28 2012,10:01)Kathi, IS THERE ANY HINT WHATSOEVER – in Hebrews 1:1-2 – that the writer might be talking about TWO Gods who spoke to us through prophets and through His Son?YES or NO?Mike………in the first two verses, it is just talking about…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2012,19:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 23 2012,16:25)Marty,In polytheism there is no perfect harmony in unity…there is conflict between the gods.The Father and the Son are in perfect harmony in unity and there is no conflict between them.  They are as one God authority to us.  The Son always pleases the Father, the Son a…[Read more]

This reminds me of “Was Superman half Superman/half Clark Kent?” or “Was he fully Superman while he was Clark Kent also?” “Was Julie Andrews half nanny/half nun in the Sound of Music?” or “Is a baby half a person till they are born and then they become a full person?” Did Superman limit himself during his Clark Kent phase and then unleash his…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 28 2012,11:10)The Job verse is in the 8th post on page 19.  The word is “established”, which you can see from my post is a synonym of “create”.And yes, most translations use “possessed” because they didn't know about the “create” root of the Hebrew word, although they suspected there must be one based on other scriptures.…[Read more]

Pierre,You do not believe that the Son was begotten before the ages? Wisdom was begotten then in Prov 8. When do you think the Son was begotten?Kathi

Pierre,Why would you say that…protestants don't look to the pope or kiss his feet?What part of my belief is not in scriptures? Back up your words Pierre. I say the Jesus is the Son of God for real. Do you not find that in scriptures? Maybe you should find a better translation.Kathi

Mike,You have to read the whole chapter to see that two are called the names of deity, but in the first two verses, it is just talking about one of them speaking to us. My question to you…In John 1:1 is there any indication that there are two theos?Kathi

Mike,I answered this. Heb 1 does not mention the word 'only' but it does mention 'in various ways' so I cannot agree to that.Kathi

Mike,Would you mind showing me the verse in Job that says wisdom was created?Can you admit that most translations do not use the word 'created' in Prov 8:22 and that it is grammatically possible to use 'possessed' or 'establish?'Thanks and have a good Saturday,Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2012,17:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 27 2012,11:37)Proverbs 8 shows us that 'wisdom' existed BEFORE God's works of old.Actually Kathi,Proverbs 8 says that wisdom was the FIRST thing God created.  End of story.  Believe what you want, I will believe the scriptures.  And I will also believe common sense that says a fa…[Read more]

Pierre,If you don't know what love Paul is talking about and you don't know what kind of being that God is, just say so and stop with these games.Get to know what an only begotten son is Pierre…it is the foundational truth that the church is built on. Kathi

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 27 2012,13:09)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 28 2012,11:59)Pierre,'Almost all of you' happens to be only a handful of people and I have shown you verses that say the opposite of what you proclaim. The handful of people here are nothing compared to those who are not here that agree that the Son of God is not a creature but the…[Read more]

Pierre,The love Paul talks about is a 'fruit' of the spirt 'of' God, not the type of being He is. Try again.What type of being is God, Pierre?Kathi

Pierre,'Almost all of you' happens to be only a handful of people and I have shown you verses that say the opposite of what you proclaim. The handful of people here are nothing compared to those who are not here that agree that the Son of God is not a creature but the creator of the creature. There are millions that believe that truth, a truth…[Read more]