Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 02 2012,18:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,18:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2012,18:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,15:19)Mike,You answered correctly…there are two theos spoken about.  1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 02 2012,15:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 01 2012,21:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2012,18:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,17:40)Can you admit that your son was alive the day before he was born?Sure.Can YOU admit that there was a time when your sons and daughters DIDN'T exist?Mike,There is where you lied. You said 'sure'…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 02 2012,15:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 02 2012,00:33)You are unusually angry tonight.Would you be happy if I called you a liar?  (The nonsensical, harassing posts from that other fellow didn't help my happy outlook on life last night either.)Sorry for blowing up, but I didn't lie.Hi Mike,No problem…it's cool. If you say…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,18:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2012,18:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,15:19)Mike,You answered correctly…there are two theos spoken about.  1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Kathi, I no longer want to discuss this with you because you just make crap up as you go along. You WANT Jesus to have existed from forever “inside of God” , but you have no proof that this happened.I believe that God didn't become Father at one point but that He always was. I also believe that the Son is a vital part of who God is and…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Don't ever call me a liar again.Then don't say something that you don't mean just to move the conversation along.You are unusually angry tonight. Take a break Mike. Everyone needs a break now and then.Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2012,18:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,17:40)Can you admit that your son was alive the day before he was born?Sure.Can YOU admit that there was a time when your sons and daughters DIDN'T exist?Mike,There is where you lied. You said 'sure' and later said that you really don't agree with my question but just said…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2012,18:17)Kathi,  Scripture says we have a CREATOR.  You say we have CREATORS.I will go with the scriptures, thanks.Like t8 said regarding ABC Pool Cover Company and the employee…both installed the pool cover. A person can say that the ABC Pool Cover Company installed the pool cover but that would NOT mean that the e…[Read more]

Pierre,The one Lord has more than one name and title, do you believe this?Do you believe that He is called the begotten theos in scriptures, specifically John 1:18?Do you believe that He is the Word that was God in John 1:1Then it shouldn't be too hard to see that He is called Lord in some places and God in other places. Why don't you show me when…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 01 2012,00:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2012,18:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 30 2012,22:24)However, you seem to think that should apply to God's Son also…………..First of all, I said “sure” to move this discussion along.  A child can be aborted at any time before he is born – would YOU say that aborted child had once…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2012,01:00)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 01 2012,22:45)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 28 2012,16:28)Pierre,Why would you say that…protestants don't look to the pope or kiss his feet?What part of my belief is not in scriptures?  Back up your words Pierre. I say the Jesus is the Son of God for real. Do you not find that in…[Read more]

So Pierre,Would you admit that the Son was begotten before the ages which began with day 1?Kathi

Marty,you said:Quote And so, this is the revelation to us from the Father. If he wanted to reveal to us that Jesus was the begotten God, he would have done so. He did not, and therefore, He is not.John 1:1818No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.Is that verse not part of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2012,17:31)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 30 2012,22:53)If you don't then I will make a poll about it or put you on the hot seat about it.Do what you want.  I've led you to the water, Kathi.  I'm not required to do anything more than that.I'll just ask this question back of you:Kathi, I sent you this message THROUGH the i…[Read more]

Furthermore:Quote So who made a table. Man through Christ through God when you think of it as man cannot create a table but really transforms wood and metal into a table. It is the wood and rock that metal comes from that is created.Man made the table. God made the materials that man used. This is not hard. Although members on this board want to…[Read more]

Please notice:t8 said:Quote You could say that both installed the pool cover depending what your perspective is.I rest my case. It depends on the context in the Bible too regarding creation. The unity created or the Son created or the Father created. Either way is correct depending what the context is.It is just as likely that the customer…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2012,18:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 30 2012,22:24)However, you seem to think that should apply to God's Son also…………..First of all, I said “sure” to move this discussion along.  A child can be aborted at any time before he is born – would YOU say that aborted child had once “existed” as a part of human kind?…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 27 2012,22:17)Pierre,If you don't know what love Paul is talking about and you don't know what kind of being that God is, just say so and stop with these games.Get to know what an only begotten son is Pierre…it is the foundational truth that the church is built on. KathiPierre,You haven't told me what kind of being God…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 28 2012,16:28)Pierre,Why would you say that…protestants don't look to the pope or kiss his feet?What part of my belief is not in scriptures?  Back up your words Pierre. I say the Jesus is the Son of God for real. Do you not find that in scriptures? Maybe you should find a better translation.KathiHere is one of those…[Read more]

No Pierre, wisdom wasn't separate from the Son as if it were just a piece of Him, it is just what is being emphasized about the Son.Kathi