Oh well, I guess that I will just have to appreciate this Bible translation all by myself, ha Maybe it is just too clear that Jesus is deity in this translation.ttml….

Now from Athenagoras as He describes the 'Logos' and the unity of God and the Spirit as the effluence of God:Chapter X.—The Christians Worship the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.That we are not atheists, therefore, seeing that we acknowledge one God, uncreated, eternal, invisible, impassible, incomprehensible, illimitable, who is apprehended by the u…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 02 2012,14:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 02 2012,13:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,22:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,16:38)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,13:58)Hi LU, God the Son was the phrase. Surely you can find it elsewhere. If not the motion lapses for want of a seconderHi Nick,How about some passages that…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 02 2012,13:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,22:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,16:38)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,13:58)Hi LU, God the Son was the phrase. Surely you can find it elsewhere. If not the motion lapses for want of a seconderHi Nick,How about some passages that clearly tell us that Jesus the Messiah is…[Read more]

Hold on tight t8 those are some strong winds that you expect. Our area just got hit with 60+ mph winds, we have a tree down and sirens are heard. The news is reporting that tornadoes have touched down just less than 10 miles away and homes are leveled.I hope ya'll will be ok. I will pray for your safety.Kathi

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,22:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,16:38)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,13:58)Hi LU, God the Son was the phrase. Surely you can find it elsewhere. If not the motion lapses for want of a seconderHi Nick,How about some passages that clearly tell us that Jesus the Messiah is the LORD JEHOVAH. Philippians 2:6-11…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,16:38)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,13:58)Hi LU, God the Son was the phrase. Surely you can find it elsewhere. If not the motion lapses for want of a seconderHi Nick,How about some passages that clearly tell us that Jesus the Messiah is the LORD JEHOVAH. Philippians 2:6-11 Aramaic Bible in Plain English6He who,…[Read more]

Hi Nick,Ummm…you're welcome. Btw, Jesus and His disciples spoke Aramaic.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,13:58)Hi LU, God the Son was the phrase. Surely you can find it elsewhere. If not the motion lapses for want of a seconderHi Nick,How about some passages that clearly tell us that Jesus the Messiah is the LORD JEHOVAH. Philippians 2:6-11 Aramaic Bible in Plain English6He who, while he was in the form of God, did…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,13:47)Hi LU, So which other versions agree? How many manuscripts say this?Nick,The many versions that are translating 'monogenes theos.' It is in the earliest manuscript.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,12:12)Hi LU, You will have other witnesses to establish a truth?Which truth are you not understanding? That Jesus is the only begotten Son of God the Father or that Jesus is referred to as God?Here, again are some 'witnesses' of the deity of Christ for you to cling to:Isaiah 54:5″For your husband is your Maker,…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,12:06)Hi LU, Do you think this version is in line with the others?Nick,Yes.

Marlin,In one post you commend me for proving that the Son is God, in another you claim He is not. I believe your confusion is that you do not understand how 2 persons can be thought of as one God. It would really help you to study the early church writers who believe that the Father and the Son are both God yet one God in nature. They have…[Read more]

Thanks Keith, it is nice to know someone is watching out for me and also looking at this thread…I fixed it Here is another quote, this time from Tatian:Chapter V.—The Doctrine of the Christians as to the Creation of the World.God was in the beginning; but the beginning, we have been taught, is the power of the Logos. For the Lord of the u…[Read more]

Nick,NRSV© 1:18 No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is close to the Father’s heart, who has made him known.God the only Son is a Biblical term.

Marlin,1Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, 2even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.Here we see the Father, the Son and those that the Son gives eternal life to. The F…[Read more]

I came here thinking that the word 'begotten' implied a beginning for the Son before the ages but have come to realize that to have been begotten in one sense of the word, the Son had to have existed already within. Also, I learned about the early church writings and how they bear witness to the Son being an offspring of God and also God in nature…[Read more]

Gene,Thanks, we disagree on this and I believe it is a major thing to disagree on.Peace and love to you and yours also,Kathi

Glad to hear it Nick!

Marlin,Do you have a father who has a father? His father is considered your Grandfather. The Son gives eternal life.This is not a hard concept.The Son is completely capable of doing anything the Father does because they have the same nature. The Son is the perfect Son and that is why He gets His direction from the Father…Likewise, the Father is…[Read more]