Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2012,22:45)We can also distinguish one of them as God Almighty, and the other as His Lamb, Son, Servant, Priest, Mediator, Prophet, etc.Btw, I left the “s” out inadverently.  I meant to say, And don't waste mine with silly comparisons like “Jesus is called good, and God is called good, therefore Jesus must BE God.” We…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2012,22:10)Both are involved in creationI was involved in the creation of my son.  God created him THROUGH me, just as God created all things THROUGH His Servant Jesus.  It doesn't mean Jesus is the God who brought him forth anymore than it means I'm the God who brought me forth.Both are involved in the act required f…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2012,21:55)Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2012,19:53)don't waste my time with going down a rabbit trailAnd don't waste mine with silly comparison like “Jesus is called good, and God is called good, therefore Jesus must BE God.” You do realize that we can distinguish God from His SERVANT Jesus the same way you distinguished…[Read more]

Mike,Jehovah the Father has only one begotten Son who is Jehovah the Son. He did not beget other sons, He created other sons. His only begotten Son is the same kind as Jehovah the Father. No other sons are the same kind as Jehovah the Father because they were not begotten in regards to their primary existence.Presidents/kings don't beget…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2012,18:47)Quote (Lightenup @ June 25 2012,23:10)Actually I used scripture to defend my point. Here is another:Rev 19:16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.Yes Kathi, Jesus is called the King of kings.  So is his God.  And so is King Nebuchadnezzar.  God is called “g…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2012,18:43)Quote (Lightenup @ June 25 2012,23:04)Mike,you said:Quote I don't believe your letter was written in the first century, and I definitely KNOW it was not written by Simon, the one Jesus named Cephas.  If you definitely know these things, where is your proof?I eliminate it as a fraud the same way those who…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2012,10:16)BTW,I have to be more clear with you there is a difference between a Unity and a Number count. If there is ONE God it does not mean there is one group or type it means. How many? Count 1 stop. To say me and my father is one is a statement of Unity to say that my Father is the ONLY True God is a statement of…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2012,10:10)Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2012,16:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2012,18:47)Quote (Lightenup @ June 25 2012,11:41)BD,If you see that LORD=Jehovah/YHVH and if you see that YHVH=the God of gods and the Lord of lordsand if you see that for us there is one God (Father) and one Lord (Son)and if you see that the…[Read more]

BD,you asked:Quote Mark 13:32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.Jesus does not know again here but God does know and God does choose whatever he wants.So tell me how could this co-Unity work as you explain it when according to you God cam choose and “God” cannot…[Read more]

Hi BD, you have asked me a lot of good questions. Here goes: Quote Who put them in the son's hand?So you agree that The Father has the greater Authority OVER the son, which means you agree that THE FATHER is a HIGHER Authority so High in fact that Jesus saysMatthew 20:23And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2012,18:47)Quote (Lightenup @ June 25 2012,11:41)BD,If you see that LORD=Jehovah/YHVH and if you see that YHVH=the God of gods and the Lord of lordsand if you see that for us there is one God (Father) and one Lord (Son)and if you see that the Father and Son are one…it all comes together.Really?  You're STILL going to…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote I don't believe your letter was written in the first century, and I definitely KNOW it was not written by Simon, the one Jesus named Cephas. If you definitely know these things, where is your proof?

BD,Within the unity there are two persons, one is greater in authority than the other, so? I have never said anything different. I have never said that they have equal authority…one is the Father and has greater authority over the Son. This is typically the case within a Father/Son relationship. Still they are a unity. A unity can have members…[Read more]

BD,If you see that LORD=Jehovah/YHVH and if you see that YHVH=the God of gods and the Lord of lordsand if you see that for us there is one God (Father) and one Lord (Son)and if you see that the Father and Son are one…it all comes together.Hear O Israel: The God of gods and Lord of lords (YHVH), our God (a plural word, btw) is one God of gods and…[Read more]

Hi BD,you ask:Quote When God says there is NO OTHER but ME how do you read that, do you see ME as plural even though God explicitly states there is NONE other?Good question. I see “ME” in this context as a unity and unities often have singular pronouns to refer to them. For example, the church is written of as a “SHE” and I see that as a unity…[Read more]

That is a nice national anthem, t8. For the record, this is the last stanza in our national anthem for America, although we rarely hear the whole song and we probably don't realize that it is there:Oh, thus be it ever, when freemen shall standBetween their loved home and the war's desolation!Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n-rescued…[Read more]

Ok, Mike,Then you were made aware that a 1st century document indicates that Jesus was the creator and not the created. Even back then, that was taught, and by the apostle Peter who you agree has a position of authority in the body of Christ. Therefore, it wasn't something that the people of the third century came up with obviously since it was…[Read more]

BD,Why, when I speak about “two persons being united as one supreme authority called God” you respond as if I said one person relating to himself as God alone? I don't think you are understanding my position. Maybe I am not writing clearly. Each person in the unity as one supreme authority, often called “God” in some contexts can also be called…[Read more]

Mike,Do you recall me showing you this historical syriac writing?Quote From the ancient Syriac documents:The Teaching of Simon Cephas in the City of Rome (who we know as 'Peter' the disciple):In the third(4) year of Claudius Caesar, Simon Cephas departed from Antioch to go to Rome. And as he passed on he preached in the divers countries the word…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 24 2012,14:15)Mike,Have I shown you historical writings where apostles in the first century claim that Jesus was the creator?Mike,So is that a yes? I have shown you historical writings where apostles in the first century claim that Jesus was the creator?