BD,Did you exist before you were born/begotten? I'd say you did, probably for about 9 months. The term 'begotten' does not necessarily equal the very start of existence. I believe that the Son was begotten, i.e. brought forth from within the Father as an offspring that was always within the Father. There is no mention of the Father 'conceiving'…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2012,13:57)So I did understand you correctly.  You think that Jesus reigns as God and as the servant of God simultaneously.No further questions, ma'am.Jesus reigns with the Father together as the supreme authority forever. He also reigns as the Son of David forever on David's throne. “For in Christ all the fullness of…[Read more]

Mike,So that “Yes Kathi,” is an answer to “Is Jesus the only begotten theos”?Are you honoring the only begotten theos as your one Lord?

Quote (Lightenup @ July 04 2012,11:48)Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,23:31)BD,Can you say these words and mean them?”My God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob”?”BD,Can you?BD,Since you seem to not be able to say these words and mean it:”My God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob”I am not surprised that you are so baffled about what I am…[Read more]

Mike,Is Jesus the only begotten theos?Is Jesus for us as our one Lord according to 1 Cor 8:6?

BD, There is a reason why John 1:18 translates as 'the only begotten God.' It is because it was written as monogenes theos in the earliest Greek manuscripts. Think about it, BD, which manuscript would be the most reliable, the one closer to the time of Christ or the one further from the time of Christ. Is that a question you are going to avoid…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 04 2012,12:12)Oh, Mike, you know we have one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ and that Jesus Christ and the Father are both theos. So, let me ask you again, how many theos are for us?1 Cor 8:6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 04 2012,12:12)Oh, Mike, you know we have one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ and that Jesus Christ and the Father are both theos. So, let me ask you again, how many theos are for us?1 Cor 8:6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by…[Read more]

Jesus is on both thrones, Mike.

Mike,Just answer my question without your riff raff.

Happy Fourth of July, Charity, et al!The 4th of July Picnic A Jewish Rabbi and a Catholic Priest met at Albuquerque's annual 4th of July picnic. Old friends, they began their usual banter.'This baked ham is really delicious,' the priest teased the rabbi. 'You really ought to try it. I know it's against your religion, but I can't understand why…[Read more]

Oh, Mike, you know we have one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ and that Jesus Christ and the Father are both theos. So, let me ask you again, how many theos are for us?1 Cor 8:6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Mike,How many theos are FOR US? Just one or two or many?

You cant answer my questions BD? It might help you.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2012,11:39)Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2012,10:17)Kathi will jump through any hoop to make Jesus “God” she will even call God a sacrificial lamb an a man……………..And that simply baffles me, Asana.  When the whole of scripture teaches of ONE God Most High, and the Son that HE SENT into the world, why on earth…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,23:31)BD,Can you say these words and mean them?”My God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob”?”BD,Can you?

Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,23:29)BD,Quote I didn't say whether I believed it Jesus asked the question himself:So, do you believe that Jesus is the Son of David?BD,And your answer is…

Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,23:27)Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2012,17:21)Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,16:06)Quote (bodhitharta @ June 29 2012,00:02)Quote (Lightenup @ June 29 2012,08:30)BD,Quote is there ever any condition in which you see the words “ONE”, “ONLY” and “I” as being literal? According to you anyone could claim even several…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ July 04 2012,02:34)The throne is not a “chair” but a position of power and authority, which is why He could overcome and sit down with His Father on His throne (having been given all power and authority) while we can join Jesus on His “throne” of ruling and reigning (one may have several “thrones” in their lives, some shared,…[Read more]

Mike,Quote And surely you can understand that John was saying “the throne of God and of the Lamb”, right?No, that is not what I understand. You do realize that Jesus is seated with the Father on His throne, right?Rev 3:21 To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.