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    Mike,You are certainly falling short of applying my logic. Jesus as the Lord of lords and king of kings in the NT pre-exists His flesh existence as a heavenly being. If Neb and Art didn't do that, then clearly the use of 'king of kings' is not anywhere near who Jesus is. But you know this, don't you or am I giving you too much credit?

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Delusions in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years ago

    Mike,Do you not know that the Father is IN Jesus and Jesus is IN the Father? Jesus is not only OF the Father but He is IN the Father. John 17

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Delusions in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years ago

    Here Mike,https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=1608th post down.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Delusions in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years ago

    Mike,Do you remember me changing the word to 'in' instead of 'of' because I thought that would help you understand better? You may have not seen that because you have not acknowledged it. Go back in that thread and look at my response.Jesus is a member of the unity that He is a son IN.Also, if you understood that like begets like, then you can…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Delusions in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years ago

    Quote (t8 @ July 08 2012,08:14)Quote (Lightenup @ July 08 2012,20:16)Mike,You indicate that I believe in one person that is His own Son yet in the next sentence you indicate that I believe in two persons. I'm pretty sure that you know that I believe in two persons and one is from the other so why would you act like I was saying that one came from…[Read more]

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    Mike,I am sure that you need a break. You are wasting our time with those kinds of comments.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Delusions in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years ago

    Mike,You indicate that I believe in one person that is His own Son yet in the next sentence you indicate that I believe in two persons. I'm pretty sure that you know that I believe in two persons and one is from the other so why would you act like I was saying that one came from himself? You probably need a break or something.You asked if I…[Read more]

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2012,14:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2012,13:03)Kathi,I pray that you accept the fact that for us, there is but one God Almighty, the Father.  But He has a Son, Priest, Servant, Mediator, and Anointed One that He set up as King and Lord over us.  That one is also very powerful and deserves much praise and honor, b…[Read more]

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    It doesn't seem like ya'll know what is meant by Jesus when He says that He is the door/gate. Maybe if you read this through, you will see that Jehovah is not the pasture and that the sheep aren't going through the door to get to the Father. Think of the flock as the church and the believing Jews and the believing Gentiles forming one flock.John…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Delusions in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years ago

    Pierre,Whether or not the Lord of lords serves the God of gods…Jehovah is still BOTH God of gods and Lord of lords. So for you to say that one is higher than the other…so what, Jehovah is both God of gods AND Lord of lords and together they are both head over all power and all authority and have all dominion in this age and in the one to come.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Delusions in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years ago

    Pierre,Like I said, it is a popular deception you have there. Truth is really quite simple…really!Jehovah is still both:God of godsANDLord of lordswhether or not the Lord of lords serve the God of gods, Jehovah is still both, NT and OT. Deut 10:17For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows…[Read more]

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    Jehovah is both:God of godsAND Lord of lordsEVEN if the Lord of lords serves the God of gods…Jehovah is both. (even in this thread :) )

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Delusions in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years ago

    Jehovah is still both:God of godsAND Lord of lordswhether or not the Lord of lords serve the God of gods, Mike. Jehovah is still both, even in the NT.

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    Sorry Mike,I just read your 'joke' after reading your belittling comments towards me elsewhere and made me wonder why you are belittling the atheist as if you know the answer to the question that he didn't know and then you proceed to explain how I don't know God in another thread. It made me shake my head in amazement.PS, I didn't say it wasn't…[Read more]

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    Mike,sorta funny…Quote The little girl replied, “Do you really feel qualified to discuss God, heaven and hell, or life after death when you just admitted you don't know crap?”Why don't you explain 'why you suppose that is' and after you do that, then you can explain to us who you think God is or isn't? :p Sorry, your joke kinda backfired on…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2012,21:03)Kathi,I pray that you accept the fact that for us, there is but one God Almighty, the Father.  But He has a Son, Priest, Servant, Mediator, and Anointed One that He set up as King and Lord over us.  That one is also very powerful and deserves much praise and honor, but he is not the Most High God who begot h…[Read more]

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    Hi guys, thanks but I have gone through the door; I stopped long enough first to get to know who Jesus was though. Try it.You agree that in the OT, Jehovah is the Lord of lords but in the NT you seem to think that He is not or that there are two Lord of lords that are the head over all power and authority but one is not worthy of worship even…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Delusions in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years ago

    Quote (seekingtruth @ July 07 2012,06:00)Actually I see it as a three prong attack against those searching for truth:1) Deny God – Evolution is a major tool.2) False gods – Started 6,000 years ago with self (“be like God”), alien is one of the newer ones.3) Distort God – Loss of a balanced scriptural view, drive teachings to an extreme. One point…[Read more]

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    BD,you said:Quote So all semantics aside what you call the one having the Highest Authority is what we call GOD ALMIGHTY.The Bible calls God Almighty 'Jehovah.' He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 'He', this unity, is all together, two persons and their Spirit…the God of gods and the Lord of lords. Jesus is the Lord of lords. Deut…

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    Mike,Are there any theos for us as our authority besides the Father and the only begotten theos, the Son?

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