Quote (t8 @ July 16 2012,02:49)Quote (Lightenup @ July 16 2012,16:26)Hi Wakeup,Jesus died on the cross according to His flesh, not according to His divinity, as I understand it. Also, the one who pre-existed flesh as a heavenly being, even  the only begotten God, humbled Himself and took on a different form. He became a human baby while still…[Read more]

It is interesting that t8 knows that this is a closed discussion but has not respected that. Also, that he belittles my beliefs but rarely challenges me directly and when he does and I respond with a solid answer, he is not to be heard from again in the conversation. hmmm…This is the same guy that has said previously that he worships Jesus as…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 12 2012,22:48)To all readers:Mike said this:Quote No where in scripture is Jesus ever worshiped.I have shown this to Mike before, see for yourself if no where in scripture is Jesus ever worshiped:Matt 2:1-2 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2012,11:51)Quote (Lightenup @ July 12 2012,20:53)Mike,Regarding:1 Timothy 613 In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 13 2012,23:43)Quote (Lightenup @ July 14 2012,15:27)BD,you said:Quote Really, you don't seem to be able to tell the difference between a giver and a receiver.Do you think that the Father does not receive anything from the Son? Do you not think that two in a unity cannot give and the other receive? The fact that one gives…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 14 2012,17:16)Quote (Lightenup @ July 12 2012,09:16)Pierre,So, the God of gods has more authority than the Lord of lords…Jehovah is still both of them.You may have given your child everything and you are in authority over your child…that is why you are the father and they are not. Still you and your child are part of a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 13 2012,23:23)BD.I worship Jesus as the Son, not as the Father. I worship the Father as the Father and not the Son.Why do you think that Jesus always received worship but his disciples and the angels didn't?Why do you think that Jesus was worshiped by His disciples?BD,Did you not read what I wrote. I do not worship the Son…[Read more]

BD,you said:Quote Really, you don't seem to be able to tell the difference between a giver and a receiver.Do you think that the Father does not receive anything from the Son? Do you not think that two in a unity cannot give and the other receive? The fact that one gives certain things to the other does not in anyway discount that there is a unity…[Read more]

BD.I worship Jesus as the Son, not as the Father. I worship the Father as the Father and not the Son.Why do you think that Jesus always received worship but his disciples and the angels didn't?Why do you think that Jesus was worshiped by His disciples?

To all readers:Mike said this:Quote No where in scripture is Jesus ever worshiped.I have shown this to Mike before, see for yourself if no where in scripture is Jesus ever worshiped:Matt 2:1-2 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,2 Saying, Where is he…[Read more]

BD,you said:Quote The problem Kathi is that the word lord has nothing to do with being “God” a lord means someone who is n charge or an owner such as a Land lord, your problem is thinking lord has a super natural meaning and it doesn't so Jesus could be lord without being God in any sense. But God is the Lord God Meaning that The Only True God…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote Where does scripture say no man has ever HEARD Jehovah?  And where does scripture say any man has SEEN Him?Did you mean to ask: “Where does scripture says that any man has heard Jehovah?”Moses heard and saw Him.Exodus 33:9 Whenever Moses entered the tent, the pillar of cloud would descend and stand at the entrance of the tent;…[Read more]

Mike,Regarding:1 Timothy 613 In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only R…[Read more]

Mike,Regarding:Psalm 1361 Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good. His love endures forever.2 Give thanks to the God of gods. His love endures forever.3 Give thanks to the Lord of lords: His love endures forever.4 to him who alone does great wonders, His love endures forever.26 Give thanks to the God of…[Read more]

BD,Look at the verse:John 17:1Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, 2even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. 3“This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only tru…[Read more]

Pierre,Good idea

Gene,It depends on the context. I see two on the highest throne and the rest surrounding the throne. All with the Spirit are a unity of sorts but not all are in unity as the supreme authority. I believe that the Father and the Son are in unity as our supreme authority. Do you believe that you will be a member of those in supreme authority or a…[Read more]

Again, Pierre, your problem is with scripture. I put the scripture right there for you to show you that Jesus called Himself and His Father “US” and then bolded it to help you see it. I do not know what your problem is here. I don't really understand completely what you just wrote.

Pierre,Jesus calls He and the Father an “US” and we are one in that “US” (Father and Son). We (the body of Christ-not the body with Christ) are in THEM, both of THEM!John 17:20“I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, t…[Read more]

Mike,I did, in the past, assume Moses was saying about the triune God, that He was one being, yet three persons, and as one being, He was both the God of gods and the Lord of lords. I never really considered anything other than the triune God at that time, nor did I dig into the scriptures and do an in-depth study on my own. Now, I look at…[Read more]