Quote Remember Kathi is quoting you in the section that is called DELUTIONS.It is called “Delusions” Pierre.

Scriptural fact: In the OT, Jehovah is the God of gods and Lord of lords.Delusion: In the NT, Jehovah is only the God of gods and not the Lord of lords.

Mike,you asked:Quote Kathi, why is it that you can easily see the difference between Jesus and his servants, but not between God and His servant Jesus? Because Jesus' servants didn't get credit for creation (but Jesus and God do), salvation of all mankind (but Jesus and God do), aren't called the 'First and the Last,' (but Jesus and God are) raise…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 20 2012,21:07)Quote (Lightenup @ July 19 2012,23:29)“If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me………………..”Jesus would never demand worship. It is the Father that glorifies Him.John 12:28 Father, glorify your name!” Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glori…[Read more]

Mike,you asked:Quote 1. How about those same verses in the translation I quoted? Do any of them describe people worshipping Jesus? YES or NO?Yes!Quote 2. Does the word “proskuneo” HAVE TO BE translated as “worship”? Or is it up the the translator?Whether it is translated as obeisance or worship, it is still given in a religious sense as one…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2012,16:43)Quote (Lightenup @ July 16 2012,22:21)Mike,Thank you for admitting:YES Kathi.  The translations you posted describe people worshipping Jesus. So, we don't have to read this from you again:Quote No where in scripture is Jesus ever worshiped.Wow.  That's pretty sneaky, don't you think, Kathi?I seem to recall t…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 17 2012,11:13)Dear sweet Kathi:) I have come to the conclusion that there is no way to out argue or convince you that you are wrong and the reason is simple you are arguing from inference and that is why there are so many Christian denominations that have such a wide range of beliefs. We wouldn't be having this…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 17 2012,21:54)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2012,08:43)Quote (Lightenup @ July 16 2012,22:21)Mike,Thank you for admitting:YES Kathi.  The translations you posted describe people worshipping Jesus. So, we don't have to read this from you again:Quote No where in scripture is Jesus ever worshiped.Wow.  That's pretty sneaky, d…[Read more]

Mikeyou said:Quote And to answer your question, YES, the worship/obeisance done to Daniel, King David, and many others in scripture is equal to the worship/obeisance done to Jesus.  And none of that worship/obeisance should be confused with the worship given to our God AS our God.EVERY knee bows to Jesus IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH AND UNDER THE…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 17 2012,10:55)Quote (Lightenup @ July 17 2012,16:57)BD,You said:Quote I never s that Jesus wasn't worshipped by some nor do the scriptures say the disciples worshipped Jesus so where did you get that from? Jesus told his disciples who to Worship and it wasn't him he told to Worship. I'm not sure what the first part of…[Read more]

While I wait for your response to that last post, I will begin to address your questions.There are two sides to a coin, agreed? When the coin is laying on the table, you see only one side. What it seems to me is that what you are doing is insisting that there is only one side to the coin while I am insisting that there are two. I am trying to show…[Read more]

Well, if we do that then either one of us may come up with a whole line of more questions after a 'lull' in the conversation. I think that having another thread for comments to our discussion would be better. It would make it a lot easier for us to quote each other's thoughts, for me anyway.

This is great t8, I welcome the opportunity but I think that it would be easier to stick to us answering each other's questions if it were a closed discussion. Would you mind limiting it to a discussion just between the two of us? It would be much easier for us to keep a flow going in the discussion. There can be another thread for a discussion…[Read more]

BD,You said:Quote I never s that Jesus wasn't worshipped by some nor do the scriptures say the disciples worshipped Jesus so where did you get that from? Jesus told his disciples who to Worship and it wasn't him he told to Worship. I'm not sure what the first part of your statement meant but look at the part that I bolded. Then read this:Matt…[Read more]

Mike,Thank you for admitting:YES Kathi. The translations you posted describe people worshipping Jesus. So, we don't have to read this from you again:Quote No where in scripture is Jesus ever worshiped.

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 16 2012,22:48)It's getting to the point that I believe that if Jesus came to you and told you himself “Kathi, I am not god” you will either say you're not really Jesus or you will say “you are god, from my point of view”…lolAccording to scriptures, He is the only begotten God and was with God in the beginning. We are…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 16 2012,22:45)Quote (Lightenup @ July 17 2012,14:38)Quote (bodhitharta @ July 16 2012,16:58)Quote (t8 @ July 16 2012,13:45)I have removed my post as I am not part of this discussion.Apologies to all.I didn't know this discussion was closed to others, I never agreed to that. WE never as one agreed to that I guess you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2012,19:16)Quote (Lightenup @ July 15 2012,22:01)This is the same guy that has said previously that he worships Jesus as the Son of God. Yet he is 'amazed' when someone worships Jesus as the Son of God. Does that sound like a confused person, a bit hypocritical maybe?Slow your roll there, Sunshine.  1.  I'm sure t8 p…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 16 2012,16:58)Quote (t8 @ July 16 2012,13:45)I have removed my post as I am not part of this discussion.Apologies to all.I didn't know this discussion was closed to others, I never agreed to that. WE never as one agreed to that I guess you thought you were the unity spokeperson?So does God have 2 wills or one?I got news…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 16 2012,08:06)Quote (Lightenup @ July 16 2012,13:26)Quote (Wakeup @ July 14 2012,17:16)Quote (Lightenup @ July 12 2012,09:16)Pierre,So, the God of gods has more authority than the Lord of lords…Jehovah is still both of them.You may have given your child everything and you are in authority over your child…that is why you…[Read more]