t8, your last question:Quote 2) Are there instances in the New Testament in our translations and the Greek where the word kurios is used of men?Yes.Are there instances in the NT where YHWH is written as 'kurios' or translated from 'kurios' but not translated as Jehovah/YHWH but means Jehovah/YHWH?

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 01 2012,00:02)Here are some simple yes and no questions for you.Included are scriptures that will aid you in your answers.Please just scrape the whole page and put your answer after each question.1 Corinthians 4:6Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us ye might…[Read more]

Hi t8,This is an issue with many translations based on the Aramaic manuscripts and the Aramaic word for YHWH in the OT and NT. It is also an issue of which manuscripts were translated into English directly from the original language of the apostles of the NT.Now to your post on page 5 which I will bump in the next post…

BD,Your questions with my answers:So let me get this straight you say that Jesus is a Begotten God, correct?Almost…I say that Jesus is THE ONLY Begotten God.But you say he was always begotten, yes or no?No, not always begotten, but begotten before the agesYou say that the Father was never begotten, correct?CorrectSo what does begotten mean if it…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 01 2012,21:02)Quote (Lightenup @ July 25 2012,21:49)As a rule103 the Aramaic Peshitta Tanak (Old Testament) rendersEL/ELOAH/ELOHIM with ALAHA; ADONAI/ADON with MAR and YHWH with MARYA. For Example:Psalm 110:1a Hebrew: YHWH said to my ADON…Psalm 110:1a Aramaic: MARYA said to my MAR…This pattern continues through the Ara…[Read more]

Mike,you asked:Quote Now compare that to the ANGEL of God in Exodus:Exodus 23:21Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.WHOSE name is “in him”, Kathi? I don't read, “We have the SAME name” in this verse – do you?Basically, that is the result. Jehovah…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote Also Kathi, notice what else is said about those who are called by YHWH's name in the verse above. They are those that YHWH CREATED – those He FORMED and MADE.We know that one person didn't form them by Himself, i.e. “Let US make man in our image.”John 1:1-3 1In the origin The Word had been existing and That Word had been…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote Yet I only know of ONE who is named “YHWH”. You often CLAIM there is another, but I have seen no proof of this claim to date.Allow me to enlighten you then…Lu 2:11 For there is born to you this day a deliverer, who is the Lord Jehovah Messiah, inthe city of DavidJoh 8:11 And she said: No man, Lord Jehovah. And Jesus said:…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 01 2012,01:35)Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2012,17:10)BD,you said:Quote So during the time he hadn't been given “the name” yet, what was his name and what was the Name of the one who gave him the Name.You are saying that YHWH was a being who gave the name YHWH to another being whom we also call Jesus. Doesn't this mean that…[Read more]

Well, t8 have a good day on the other side of the world. It is very late here…nice discussing with you tonight! I'm gonna hit the sack as they say.Good night,Kathi

t8Quote I haven't checked every single reference, but of that which I did check, none of them mention YHWH. I assume that the ones I didn't look at were similar in construction. Your mistake is to assume that kurios is translated as YHWH in all instances in scripture. It certainly is not.You are not checking the translations from the Aramaic…[Read more]

Actually t8, the verses that I quoted have an Aramaic interlinear to support them which came from the Aramaic manuscript, not a Greek manuscript (kurios is Greek). You are assuming that the original letters were written in Greek which does replace YHWH with kurios and leaves it unclear at times as to whether YHWH is what is meant. The Aramaic…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2012,23:34)t8,According to these passages in the translation as displayed here, who is called Jehovah?Lu 2:11 For there is born to you this day a deliverer, who is the Lord Jehovah Messiah, inthe city of DavidJoh 8:11 And she said: No man, Lord Jehovah. And Jesus said: Neither do I condemn thee.Go thou, and henceforth…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 31 2012,22:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2012,16:40)Mark 10:18Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good but The One God.”I would say this is the Unity.What unity.God and Jesus are united and so we can too.I presume you are talking of the Father son union. And not including us.”Holy Father, protect them by…[Read more]

t8,you said:Quote As for the rest, I can see that the problem here is that you insist that YHWH is Jesus.There is a reason for that…I just gave you about 17 verses that say that YHWH is Jesus. I didn't write them, just copied them and pasted them.

t8,you said:Quote Mark 10:18Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good but The One God.”I would say this is the Unity.Luke 18:19Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good except the one God.”Same as before, I would say this is the Unity.If Jesus was referring to himself then he would likely have sa…[Read more]

t8,According to these passages in the translation as displayed here, who is called Jehovah?Lu 2:11 For there is born to you this day a deliverer, who is the Lord Jehovah Messiah, inthe city of DavidJoh 8:11 And she said: No man, Lord Jehovah. And Jesus said: Neither do I condemn thee.Go thou, and henceforth sin no more.Ac 2:36 Therefore, let all…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 31 2012,21:22)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2012,15:43)t8,you said:Quote Kathi, you clearly teach that God is two.I teach that our God and Lord are two. The Lord is the only begotten God.OK, so no problem there.God is the Father.God made Jesus, Lord.Sorted.Now the only outstanding point is that both the Father and Jesus are YHWH.Is…[Read more]

t8,Here is your list of scriptures. I will tell you who is being spoken about, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, or the Unity in general of both the Father and Son together with their Spirit.After I do this, will you appreciate all the time that this is going to take me? I may split these up in several posts. I'll see how it goes, but I will…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 31 2012,19:11)Kathi, I have a couple of must-answer questions in bold below.I say THE God is exclusively THE Father.You say that God is the Father and Son.Excluding all instances of God/theos that is applied to men, angels, Satan, idols, etc, when the word God is mentioned in scripture, whose understanding breaks the scripture and…[Read more]