BD,I was asking about information regarding what took place BEFORE the Son was brought forth/begotten BEFORE the ages. Your Luke verse has nothing to do with that question, sorry.Obviously, when the pre-existent Son became flesh as a baby He had to grow and develop.

t8,Quote So LU, you are making an argument that the writers of the NT did not write in the language of international communication, and further even though the mainstream consensus is that the New Testament was written in a form of Koine Greek, which was the common language of the Eastern Mediterranean, you disagree. And why do you disagree,…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 13 2012,00:58)Now what about John's books. He was in the territory of Greek-speaking people, i.e., Asia Minor and Ephesus. And Revelation was specifically sent to churches in seven Greek-speaking cities. In addition to that, it is John who introduces us to the Logos. Logos was a Greek concept that was familiar with Greeks and John…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 13 2012,00:40)LU.I think you are trying to force this whole thing way too much. You have an agenda and you will clutch at any straw that will help this thing look like it floats.A person translating from Aramaic to Greek does not and should not write Mark in that fashion if you were doing a faithful translation. You would just…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote It is clear to all of us that your only interest in the Peshitta is the hope that it will help you prove that Jesus is the very God he is the Son of.  But I'm trying to say that this should not be just another thread for your “Jesus is God” arguments in general.  If “mitosis” has a direct link to the Peshitta, then bring it u…[Read more]

t8,Quote MarkRead carefully what Mark has to say. Ask yourself why he quotes in Aramaic and is obviously writing in a different language in explanation to the quotes.Mark 5:4141 He took her by the hand and said to her, “Talitha koum!” (which means “Little girl, I say to you, get up!”).Mark 7:3434 He looked up to heaven and with a deep sigh said to…[Read more]

t8, I will address what you said about Mark and Talitha. It involves the language that Jesus and the disciples spoke. I will answer that in my next post and assume that you agree that the mother tongue of Jesus, according to his life as a man, and his disciples was Aramaic.Quote But so far, what you have given me as far as links to defending the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 12 2012,15:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2012,14:56)And now all YOU have to do is prove that claim.    Wasn't it you who once said that the “default understanding” will always take precedence UNLESS there is clear evidence to the contrary?Where is this “CLEAR evidence” that Jesus was the only being who was ever brought f…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote But the DEFAULT is that one who is begotten didn't exist prior to being begottenNo, the default is that a separate life begins in a person before he/she is begotten. I can't think of ANY living thing that isn't a living, growing organism before they are born/begotten.

Mike,you said:Quote Kathi apparently considers the act of conception to be the “begetting” of the child.Wrong…I believe the act of conception the beginning of new life but the birth is what I refer to as the begetting. The act of conception begins a new life with it's own set of chromosomes different than the mother and a separate DNA from the…[Read more]

BD,I think that it is you that confuses potentiality with actuality. For instance…when I was a teenager, I had the potential to be a mother. I had all the right parts. When I was married and conceived my first child, I changed from being a potential mother to being an actual mother since from the point of conception, a new life had begun within…[Read more]

t8,I'm glad that you are looking into this Aramaic primacy issue. Hold on to your seat because it gets very interesting.you said:Quote OK, I spent this morning looking around the web for people's views and ideas about the New Testament and the original languages likely used. Here is what I have gleaned.Most believe that the NT books were written…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 12 2012,00:35)So Mike show me the definition of EHEYEH in the four dictionaries you have been mentioning and also show me the interlinears that show Exodus 3:14 with EHEYEH as YHWH. When you can show me this, then you will be showing me in a way that you insist that I show you. Also, don't bother replying till you have…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote I know from much experience with Kathi that her secular information doesn't ever end up proving the point she was “slickly” trying to prove with it.Oh, really…do you still think that the child did not exist before he/she was born/begotten? I believe that I proved that he/she did. Approximately nine months he/she existed…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2012,14:56)And now all YOU have to do is prove that claim.    Wasn't it you who once said that the “default understanding” will always take precedence UNLESS there is clear evidence to the contrary?Where is this “CLEAR evidence” that Jesus was the only being who was ever brought forth from his father without first b…[Read more]

Here, Mike, I brought this over from the Peshitta thread so that it can be with the other Mitosis info. Think of the mitosis single cell example. There is a parent cell with all that makes up its offspring within it. The offspring happens to end up exactly like the parent cell with the exception that one is the parent cell and the other is the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2012,14:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 12 2012,13:54)The cell containing ALL the 'puzzle pieces' would be the parent and the offspring within it would be the offspring.So then Jesus was also “divided” from God with the puzzle pieces for a THIRD God already inside him?Kathi, this is the wrong thread.  Let's keep this about…[Read more]

Ok Mike, it is working on the laptop…I had to download it first though. Now for the quote:Understanding why MarYah is the Aramaic Name for YHWHIntroductionThroughout both volumes of this work, I have been repeatedly making the assertion thatthe Peshitta Tanakh and New Testament usage of the phrase MarYah (ayrm) is neither atitle nor a…[Read more]

Ok, Mr. Cool, did you have to download it first? It won't download on my iPad. I'll try my Macbook Pro…hold on…

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2012,14:44)Yes.  That is where the green quotes came from.Yes I realize that, Mike. I am having trouble copying and pasting from it, though but it seems that you were able to. I will try again.