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Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 13 years, 10 months ago
Ok,Here is a strong point to support that the 'Word of YHWH' is considered 'YHWH' as manifested in image and word. When YHWH appears and or speaks to someone in the OT, the Jews, when paraphrasing the OT into the Aramaic language before the first century, inserted 'the Word (memra) of YHWH' as a name for YHWH when YHWH appears or speaks to…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 13 years, 10 months ago
t8,I understand that you feel that you have to belittle people because that makes you feel justified; it is telling.Do you know what a preterist believes? I have never related to a preterist view. So, the way you 'sum' me up with these crazy conclusions is also telling of your comprehension or your heart to comprehend the answers that you,…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Jesus is not an angel being in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 10 months ago
1 Corinthians 6:3Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)Do you not know that we judge the Angels? How much rather those who are of this world?New International Version (©1984)Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!Now does anyone think that WE will be judging Jesus?
No, WE will NOT be judging Jesus, th…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Jesus is not an angel being in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 10 months ago
Hebrews 2:5Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)For it was not to Angels that he subjected the future world, about which we are speaking;New International Version (©1984)It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking.
Lightenup replied to the topic Jesus is not an angel being in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 10 months ago
1 Timothy 5:21Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)But I testify to you before God and our Lord Yeshua The Messiah and his chosen Angels, that you will observe these things and not let your mind be prejudiced for anything and do nothing by favoritism.New International Version (©1984) I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the e…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Jesus is not an angel being in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 10 months ago
1 Peter 3:21Aramaic Bible in Plain English21For you also are saved in it by that simile in baptism, not when you wash the body from impurity, but when you confess God with a pure conscience, and by the resurrection of Yeshua, The Messiah, 22He who has been escorted into Heaven, and he is upon the right hand of God, and the Angels and the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Jesus is not an angel being in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 10 months ago
Galatians 4:14 Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)And you did not ridicule, neither did you loathe the trial of my flesh, but you received me as an Angel of God and as Yeshua The Messiah.International Standard Version (©2008)Even though my condition put you to the test, you did not despise or reject me. On the contrary, you welcomed me as if I…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Jesus is not an angel being in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 10 months ago
Mark 13:32Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)But of that day and of that hour no man knows, neither the Angels of Heaven, neither The Son, but The Father only.”New International Version (©1984)”No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Lightenup replied to the topic Jesus is not an angel being in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 10 months ago
This space is reserved for an ongoing collection of proof texts that prove that Jesus is someone OTHER than an angel being.Mark 13:32Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)But of that day and of that hour no man knows, neither the Angels of Heaven, neither The Son, but The Father only.”New International Version (©1984)”No one knows about that day…[Read more]
Lightenup started the topic Jesus is not an angel being in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 10 months ago
Hi all,I've been wanting to do this for a while now. It seems we are refuting the “Jesus is an angel being” believer's “proof scriptures” so often, that we never get the chance to have them answer to the MANY scriptures that CLEARLY teach that Jesus is NOT an angel being.This thread is NOT for any discussion whatsoever. This thread is ONLY for…[Read more]
Lightenup started the topic Jesus is not an angel being in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 10 months ago
Hi all,I've been wanting to do this for a while now. It seems we are refuting the “Jesus is an angel being” believer's “proof scriptures” so often, that we never get the chance to have them answer to the MANY scriptures that CLEARLY teach that Jesus is NOT an angel being.This thread is NOT for any discussion whatsoever. This thread is ONLY for…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Lightenup 13 years, 11 months ago
Hello Happyman,I hope you are doing well!Regarding healing, sometimes God heals the physical infirmity and sometimes He doesn't. I am thinking about Paul who was told that God's strength would be perfected in his weakness. If we have a physical infirmity that God doesn't seem to want to heal, then we have an obvious opportunity to allow God's…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Biblical discussion – BD, LU, Mikeboll, ST in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 11 months ago
BD,Jesus could never not be the begotten God. He emptied Himself to take on the form of a bondservant starting out as an infant. It is quite an act of love on His part to do so. He gave up so much in order to become a bondservant and live the life of a poor man, a man who actually as the only begotten God, owned everything and was Lord of…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 13 years, 11 months ago
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 12 2012,20:22)I amhttp://aramaicnt.com/Research/The%20Name%20of%20God.pdfI am not sure if you referred the above document to me, but somehow I ended up there. Regardless, it's stance appears to be the same as yours.In this document, his references to “I am” are absolutely wrong. He makes the claim that “I am” is an incomplete…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 13 years, 11 months ago
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 13 2012,03:49)It is possible that John used scribes for his writings and that he didn't pen the books himself. But whatever the method, he was writing to a Greek speaking part of the world, so on that point alone it seems that I don't have to mention that you usually write in the language of your intended audience. John wrote to…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Biblical discussion – BD, LU, Mikeboll, ST in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 11 months ago
BD,you said:Quote Why would he need to grow in Spirit and why would he need the Grace of God upon him if he himself is also God?So you are saying Jesus a spirit son first right? So he was begotten twice once in th spirit and once in the flesh?He needed to grow in Spirit because He emptied Himself of whatever it was in order to become a baby. All…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Biblical discussion – BD, LU, Mikeboll, ST in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 11 months ago
Mike,you said:Quote 1. Yashua is called YahwehThere is no proof of this, nor would sharing a name with God mean you must have existed from eternity. There is no known connection between these things.One would have to always exist to have that name. In the Greek texts there IS reasonable proof that the Son is called YHWH, you admit that there is…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Biblical discussion – BD, LU, Mikeboll, ST in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 11 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2012,17:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 12 2012,21:11)Do you believe that mitosis is not God's design?Do you believe that it is a manmade concept?All things in nature are by God's design, Kathi.Ok, thank you! Now, Mike, why is an example of nature secular information? Isn't an example in nature appropriate to convey Biblical…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Peshitta in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 13 years, 11 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2012,22:31)Kathi, I will repeat: Hebrew hwhy, plus yrml ayrm rmaIn the Jerusalem Targum, the translation of Ex 3:14 most likely kept the Hebrew word “YHWH”, and transliterated it as “EHEYEH”.I have not been able to find an Aramaic word for the divine name of God, and am not sure there even is one.This is also the case…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 13 years, 11 months ago
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 13 2012,03:27)LU, Yes there is a Hebrew concept for Word and a Greek one. Tell me about the Aramaic concept for Logos or Word.t8,7th post down on page 8 is about the Aramaic concept for the Word. A Targum is an Aramaic translation or paraphrase of a portion of the Old Testament. In the Targum, the 'Word of God' was a common name.…[Read more]
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