t8,Thanks for those answers. I didn't see any scriptural references though, do you have any scriptural defense of your ideas?you said this:Quote Who knows within the realms of eternity when certain things like father-hood and nature apply.If you believe what you said here, then you cannot say that you know for sure that the offspring wasn't always…[Read more]

Frank,you said:Quote No, what you have presented certainly does not lend any “help” in this matter!Sorry you think so. Nevertheless, I have found a great deal of support from the early church on John 1:18 saying 'the only begotten God.'I don't want to argue this with you.

limjunus,I do believe that I as well as jammin believe in the Nicene Creed as stated here: I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible; And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of his Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very…[Read more]

Yes Mike, semantics. Move on if you have nothing to say about the Peshitta here, please.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 20 2012,12:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,22:32)Mike,There is support for either side.I don't see any “support” for your side of this coin, Kathi.  All I see are nonsensical claims designed to satisfy people who want to hear only what tickles their itching ears.But you are an intelligent person, Kathi.  Surely you do n…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 20 2012,12:37)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,22:29)John 1:1 speaks of two who are God also and Jesus says they are one1:1 speaks of two who are called “theos” – only one of whom is called “THE theos”.Mike,I meant to post the above post right in this thread in response to your post that I am quoting here.Follow along, sonny

BD,Again, do you have the Son of God and believe in the Son of God? The ONLY Begotten Son? Or is he just one of many/just one in a large number of sons to you?1 John 5:9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son. 10The one who believes in the Son…[Read more]

Mike,Nevertheless, John chapter 1 speaks of the only begotten God. John 1:18 only one speaks of one God of whom is called 'the theos' and it is the only begotten one, yet there are two 'theos' mentioned.

Hi Ted,Where would you like to discuss it? This is the Peshitta thread. Let me know, thx.

Mike,It's semantics, that's all.Back to the Peshitta…

Mike,I think the only difference is that I do not call the Holy Spirit a person like the Father and Son are persons. I see Him as more of the inner person of both in unity as one Spirit in some contexts or the inner person distinctly of the Father or distinctly of the Son. But this has gone way off subject. Back to the Peshitta…please If you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2012,19:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 18 2012,23:24) Thus, in Rev 15:3-4, when John refers to God as “holy,” using the term ὅσιος in a context where the emphasis is on both God and Christ………Poppycock.  The song was either sung BY Moses AND the Lamb, or the song was sung TO Moses AND the Lamb.I understand that this…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 19 2012,01:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,13:59)BD,Can you say that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God? Can you say that Jesus is the only begotten God? You seem to shy away from that by calling Him 'the messenger' as if that is all He is…a 'carrier' of sorts. Did your dad call you a messenger or a son? Are you…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 19 2012,04:19)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,11:29)Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 18 2012,23:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,02:10)limjunus,Jesus IS the true only begotten God.Lightenup,The rightful way to express is, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God and “not begotten God”. limjunus,Scripture disagrees with you:John…[Read more]

Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,02:32)Quote (jammin @ Sep. 19 2012,16:30)Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,15:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,02:10)limjunus,Jesus IS the true only begotten God.Lightenup,The rightful way to express is, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God and “not begotten God”. the bible said he is the begotten son of God and…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Sep. 19 2012,00:32)nice job sis kathi limjunus is really a false teacher.let me post the greek of john 1.1818 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε μονογενης θεοςtsk tsk…this limjunus is really a false teacher. LOLYes Jammin…it says only begotten God in the Greek. That is a truth that can set many here…

Way to go Jammin, we posted on the same truth within 1 second of each other and we are in unity! Woot woot!!

Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 18 2012,23:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,02:10)limjunus,Jesus IS the true only begotten God.Lightenup,The rightful way to express is, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God and “not begotten God”. limjunus,Scripture disagrees with you:John 1:18New American Standard Bible (©1995)No one has seen God at any time; the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 18 2012,12:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 16 2012,14:44)Mike,I considered what you said but when looking at the context and the events leading up to this and who the 144,000 were, I believe this is a new song from an old song to acknowledge the Lamb with the Father as together as their one almighty deliverer.Kathi,If it was…[Read more]

BD,Can you say that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God? Can you say that Jesus is the only begotten God? You seem to shy away from that by calling Him 'the messenger' as if that is all He is…a 'carrier' of sorts. Did your dad call you a messenger or a son? Are you just a messenger of your father, or a son of your father. Would you feel…[Read more]