BD,you said:Quote I'm not saying that we can't argue and attack the positions of the other person I just think there is a difference between attacking a position and attacking a person.Absolutely and that is why I was CONFRONTING the one attacking me personally. How many words I use in an answer, which certainly was not anywhere close to a…[Read more]

AndrewAD,Do you have a problem with scripture?Here is a compilation of the several passages and/or scriptural reasonings that suggest that Jesus Christ is deity. Isaiah 54:5″For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth. Mark 12:35 While…[Read more]

Feeling threatened, t8? It seems to be going around…talk is cheap.

BD,By denying that Mike belittles me makes you part of the problem. Btw, does the term Muslim offend you, are you not a Muslim?A key element in this area of verbal abuse will no doubt be confrontation of the abuser. It's important for you to realize that confrontation is a biblical principle. Jesus taught about this in Matthew 18:15-20. I would…[Read more]

Pierre,This article is good for answering your questions and has plenty of scripture to back up what is said on the matter:http://www.ucg.org/booklet….n-being

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 30 2012,14:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 29 2012,16:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 28 2012,17:33)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2012,15:53)Do you really think that belittling others pleases God?I believe God is pleased when I put you on the hot seat, and make you stand and defend the twistings of scripture that you preach.In all…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 30 2012,14:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 29 2012,17:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 28 2012,17:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2012,16:17)So, Mike, can you say Yeshua is the LORD JEHOVAH?Sorry Kathi,My God is named Jehovah.  His Son is named Jesus – not Jehovah the second, or Jehovah Jr.And what was His name before the…[Read more]

Andrew,Well, we are far apart in our beliefs, unfortunately. The Bible is clear on the pre-existence of the Son of God, the incarnation, and the deity of the Son of God, imo. The plan you speak of that was made from the foundation of the world is the plan of the Son becoming the Messiah…a man to save men as their kinsman Redeemer.I have found it…[Read more]

Pierre,No I haven't gone blind. What part of my 'opinion' do you need scriptures for?

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2012,15:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 01 2012,12:03)Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2012,00:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 30 2012,21:58)Pierre,Christ emptied Himself before He became flesh. It doesn't tell us what He emptied Himself of but we are told that He hoped to receive back the glory that He had shared with His Father…[Read more]

Quote (AndrewAD @ Sep. 30 2012,09:49)Quote (AndrewAD @ Sep. 30 2012,22:11)Quote He chose to limit Himself, that is not a defect but an act of heroism.Kathi is it really that heroic or that great of an accomplishment if a God become man did what Jesus the man actually did?Many gods have done heroic things in the form of man or so many of the…[Read more]

Mike,you asked:Quote And if we were told that the First Adam has existed from eternity, would this mean the Second Adam – the one the first Adam begot at some time – has also existed from eternity? NO.If the first Adam existed from eternity, then he would be God. If the second Adam was the son of the first Adam and had the exact nature as the…[Read more]

Mike,you say:Quote She also understands that saying a begotten son has existed as long as his father has existed completely negates the very meaning of “begotten”, “son”, and “father”.When the father is human that is so but the Father of Jesus is not human and you don't seem to take that into consideration.If God the Father has attributes 'xyz' in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 30 2012,14:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 30 2012,12:08)A literal son of Adam who is also named Adam would be very Adam of very Adam…the son who is very Adam is OF the father who is very Adam.This is not hard, t8.Karhi,Will you continue to PRETEND that you don't know what we're saying?You are talking about NAMES, which is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 30 2012,06:26)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 30 2012,13:32)If Adam named his son Adam instead of Cain, your example falls flat.Now you are just been plain silly I think, or maybe you are really that blind. I don't know. Surely you would distinguish Adam from Adam by saying something like Adam senior. You see they would be 2 different…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 30 2012,06:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 29 2012,11:29)A literal begotten Son of God would be the very God of very God/the very God begotten of very God…like begets like…the only begotten God. 'Like begets like' is so easy to understand, children have no problem with this, why do some adults on here have problems with this.Let's…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2012,00:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 30 2012,21:58)Pierre,Christ emptied Himself before He became flesh. It doesn't tell us what He emptied Himself of but we are told that He hoped to receive back the glory that He had shared with His Father before the foundation of the world. He emptied Himself of whatever was necessary…[Read more]

BD,you asked:Quote Do the scriptures tell us there is a difference in the begotten sons of God?Also are these begotten sons also begotten gods?Jesus is the only begotten Son/only begotten God, not regenerated to be a son but a son by nature, and the others that are regenerated/born again begotten sons, are many in number are are not begotten Gods.

Pierre,Christ emptied Himself before He became flesh. It doesn't tell us what He emptied Himself of but we are told that He hoped to receive back the glory that He had shared with His Father before the foundation of the world. He emptied Himself of whatever was necessary to become a man. He didn't stop being Himself though, He just emptied…[Read more]

BD,you ask:Quote So these other begotten sons can also do what Jesus did?Now, because Jesus came as a man, died as a man, and returned to the Father, He can empower men who are considered begotten sons (begotten because they have been born again by the Spirit) to do those types of works Jesus did while He walked the earth and even bigger works…[Read more]