Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2012,06:31)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2012,08:43)T,I believe the creed is free from lies.Kathiso now you are the certified agent ,apostolic that make all of those creed the TRUTH over scriptures well I know were you stand now ,and not on the side of Gods words of truth,understand that the fact that you believe does not…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 27 2012,23:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2012,04:43)T,I believe the creed is free from lies.Not good enough because some will deceive just as they are deceived.It needs to match up with scripture. Not your own doctrine and version of history.After all, you can justify anything by setting conditions first. Then everything is seen…[Read more]

Andrew, Do you realize that the Son who was God in the beginning with God, emptied Himself and was made lower than the angels and thus would certainly need to be given power and direction from His Father since He emptied Himself? The Son did not come here in His inauguration without emptying Himself first.God bless!

T,I believe the creed is free from lies.

BD,Jesus is the only 'like begets like' literal son, He is the only begotten son who always existed with the exact nature of His Father, a nature which eternal power and divinity are attributes.

Mike, Really a 'million word' post. Lol, you sure are threatened by me aren't you? It is quite funny that you exaggerate so and then right after my 'million word' post, your post is longer than mine. You didn't bother to realize that my post to Bd was not only to answer his question but to quench the argument that was going to go no where. Btw, it…[Read more]

BD,Jesus certainly was a unique son, that's because He was a literal son! 'Only begotten' really is the intended translation and goes back to the original intent as seen in the early church writings.1 John 5:18 speaks of a second birth…a state of being 'born again' by the Spirit with a new life in the only begotten God.

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 25 2012,19:54)The Jewish leaders replied, “We have a law, and according to our law he ought to die, because he claimed to be the Son of God!” (John 19:7)I don't see the charge that he claimed to be YHWH or God. That would have been an easier conviction don't you think.Leviticus 24:16 anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD mus…[Read more]

The following passage/passages are from the NASB and the Targum Onkeloswith the Targums in English found herehttp://targum.info/targumic-texts/pentateuchal-targumim/I have italicized the Targum passage and bolded “the Word of the LORD…” for your convenience.Gen 9:8-178Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying, 9“Now behold, I M…[Read more]

The following passage/passages are from the NASB and the Targum Onkeloswith the Targums in English found herehttp://targum.info/targumic-texts/pentateuchal-targumim/I have italicized the Targum passage and bolded “the Word of the LORD…” for your convenience.Gen 8:2121The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, “I will n…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2012,12:45)Kathi,What I meant was:  Why didn't these same Pharisees just come to Jesus' trial and say, “We saw the formerly blind man worship Jesus as if he were God, and Jesus ACCEPTED this worship from him” ?That surely would have been reason enough to have Jesus put to death, and they wouldn't have needed to bring…[Read more]

I agree with you William and I am glad that we agree together on the Nicene Creed and both understand the word 'catholic' as meaning universal and not Roman Catholic. I'm not sure, but I think that there are currently maybe four of us active here on HN that agree with the Nicene Creed. Maybe there should be another poll about it. Thanks for…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2012,11:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 25 2012,10:41)Jesus WAS killed because the Pharisees believed that He blasphemed:Kathi,Please DIRECTLY answer this question:WHY would the Pharisees have had to bring in false witnesses at Jesus' makeshift trial, if certain Pharisees had already seen with their own eyes Jesus receiving…[Read more]

Mike,I showed you that Jehovah is not only God of gods but Lord of lords. We are to worship both. Jesus is the Lord of lords, our one LORD.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2012,11:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 23 2012,23:04)I showed Mike at least 17 passages in the NT that show that Jesus was worshiped. He was worshiped as the Son of God…clearly!Kathi,I can show you MANY scriptures that tell us to worship ONLY Jehovah, our God……………….. in at least two of them, it is JESUS doing…[Read more]

limjunus,From what you say, you do NOT believe in the literal Son of God which is the foundational truth of the church. The literal son would be the 'like begat like' type, the very God of/from very God, Light of Light.

Jesus WAS killed because the Pharisees believed that He blasphemed:Mak 14:60Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 61But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the B…[Read more]

Limjunus,Thank you for your response, apparently you do not believe a portion of the Nicene creed because you believe that it contradicts those verses that you put up for your 'belief foundation' but they do not contradict them with correct understanding. In the OT, God works through His power and wisdom, His 'arm' and His 'Word.' Therefore He…[Read more]

BD,John 3:16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged alrea…[Read more]

BD,Nathan the prophet called Solomon a servant to King David but we know that he was a literal son. See that here:24 And Nathan said, “My lord the king, have you said, 'Adoni'jah shall reign after me, and he shall sit upon my throne'?25 For he has gone down this day, and has sacrificed oxen, fatlings, and sheep in abundance, and has invited all…[Read more]