Quote (t8 @ Sep. 30 2012,06:26)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 30 2012,13:32)If Adam named his son Adam instead of Cain, your example falls flat.Now you are just been plain silly I think, or maybe you are really that blind. I don't know. Surely you would distinguish Adam from Adam by saying something like Adam senior. You see they would be 2 different…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 30 2012,06:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 29 2012,11:29)A literal begotten Son of God would be the very God of very God/the very God begotten of very God…like begets like…the only begotten God. 'Like begets like' is so easy to understand, children have no problem with this, why do some adults on here have problems with this.Let's…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2012,00:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 30 2012,21:58)Pierre,Christ emptied Himself before He became flesh. It doesn't tell us what He emptied Himself of but we are told that He hoped to receive back the glory that He had shared with His Father before the foundation of the world. He emptied Himself of whatever was necessary…[Read more]

BD,you asked:Quote Do the scriptures tell us there is a difference in the begotten sons of God?Also are these begotten sons also begotten gods?Jesus is the only begotten Son/only begotten God, not regenerated to be a son but a son by nature, and the others that are regenerated/born again begotten sons, are many in number are are not begotten Gods.

Pierre,Christ emptied Himself before He became flesh. It doesn't tell us what He emptied Himself of but we are told that He hoped to receive back the glory that He had shared with His Father before the foundation of the world. He emptied Himself of whatever was necessary to become a man. He didn't stop being Himself though, He just emptied…[Read more]

BD,you ask:Quote So these other begotten sons can also do what Jesus did?Now, because Jesus came as a man, died as a man, and returned to the Father, He can empower men who are considered begotten sons (begotten because they have been born again by the Spirit) to do those types of works Jesus did while He walked the earth and even bigger works…[Read more]

Pierre,He could not empty Himself if He did not have the power to do so. You are confused with someone who is limited by someone else.For the answer to this:Quote why then it is said that the miracle were done for him by the father Read my post again.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 28 2012,18:19)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2012,15:41)…… I don't believe He emptied Himself of His divinity…………So do you believe that Jesus remained “God Almighty” during his time on earth?(I also understand that Jesus started to “remember” his pre-human existence little by little.  I believe that when God's…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Sep. 28 2012,17:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 29 2012,05:45)Hi William,Just to be clear, you said:Quote I believe the Father is best understood as being like our soul, embodying self, exerting His will over His corporeal extension (the future begotten Son).The creed says that He was 'begotten BEFORE the ages.'You said that you…[Read more]

t8,Quote Do you understand the difference between identity and nature?Yes, for example…Barabbas was not really a literal 'son of God' but nevertheless, he was given the name 'Barabbas' which means 'son of God'. He is a 'son of God' by merely being given a particular name. On the other hand, Jesus IS the literal 'son of God' because of nature. Quo…[Read more]

Quote (AndrewAD @ Sep. 29 2012,10:25)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 29 2012,08:41)Quote (AndrewAD @ Sep. 27 2012,21:55)Andrew, Do you realize that the Son who was God in the beginning with God, emptied Himself and was made lower than the angels and thus would certainly need to be given power and direction from His Father since He emptied Himself? The Son…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 28 2012,17:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2012,16:17)So, Mike, can you say Yeshua is the LORD JEHOVAH?Sorry Kathi,My God is named Jehovah.  His Son is named Jesus – not Jehovah the second, or Jehovah Jr.And what was His name before the incarnation?

Mike,Quote It seems that Asana and I are in scriptural agreement more often than you and I are – and you and I both claim to be Christians while he's a Muslim. How can that be?There can be several reasons for that. What exactly is the reason, I can only guess…God knows and we need to ask Him for wisdom.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 28 2012,17:33)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2012,15:53)Do you really think that belittling others pleases God?I believe God is pleased when I put you on the hot seat, and make you stand and defend the twistings of scripture that you preach.In all those words you wrote to Asana, not once did you say, “YES BD, Jesus IS a…[Read more]

BD,Jesus was lowered to a position that was lower than the angels, like man is. He came to be an example to men as a fellow man. As a man, He did many of His Father's works for about 3 1/2 years. He healed the sick, raised the dead, dried up a fig tree, changed water into wine, freed people from demons, and more. Now, because Jesus came as a man,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 27 2012,11:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 26 2012,06:34)Btw, it is very interesting how you let BD get away with his Muslim ideas but you jump all over my Christian beliefs.Asana and I have gone round and round on certain scriptural issues in the past.  But why would I argue against him when he is speaking scripturally?Btw…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 27 2012,12:02)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2012,00:31)BD,Jesus is the only 'like begets like' literal son, He is the only begotten son who always existed with the exact nature of His Father, a nature which eternal power and divinity are attributes.KathiAre there other begotten sons who if they have enough faith can do…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 27 2012,11:56)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 26 2012,06:34)Mike, Really a 'million word' post.The point was that his question could have and SHOULD HAVE been answered by you with a simple “YES” – for that IS the answer to his question, and you know it.Mike,So you are in a huff because I used more words than you would, ha, that's…[Read more]

Hi William,Just to be clear, you said:Quote I believe the Father is best understood as being like our soul, embodying self, exerting His will over His corporeal extension (the future begotten Son).The creed says that He was 'begotten BEFORE the ages.'You said that you agree with the creed but what you said in the part I quoted seems like you don't…[Read more]

Quote (AndrewAD @ Sep. 27 2012,21:55)Andrew, Do you realize that the Son who was God in the beginning with God, emptied Himself and was made lower than the angels and thus would certainly need to be given power and direction from His Father since He emptied Himself? The Son did not come here in His inauguration without emptying Himself first.God…[Read more]