Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2012,10:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 30 2012,13:39)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)And if we were told that the First Adam has existed from eternity, would this mean the Second Adam – the one the first Adam begot at some time – has also existed from eternity?If the first Adam existed from eternity, then he would be God. If the…[Read more]

Hi Andrew,Ok, I will again go through your post and address each point.you said:Quote I certainly have no problem with scripture and or any of the verses you posted other than a few that I believe have been misconstrued by the translators.So you admit that your ideas do not line up with all those scriptures as written, you have to change the…[Read more]

Hmmm…

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 01 2012,20:04)KathiTit 2:13, 14…while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of “our great God and Savior”, Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for us, “that he (Jesus) might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works”.  should it not be “OUR GREAT GOD and SA…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 01 2012,19:54)KathiHebrews 1:8But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOMwho his the HE that paul talks about Pierre,This verse is translated in a variety of ways but if it is supposed to read 'his kingdom,' we are told that Jesus would receive…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 01 2012,19:53)KathiQuote Jude 1:4For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.do you believe that what it says is related to individuals or to a…[Read more]

BD,you said:Quote I'm not saying that we can't argue and attack the positions of the other person I just think there is a difference between attacking a position and attacking a person.Absolutely and that is why I was CONFRONTING the one attacking me personally. How many words I use in an answer, which certainly was not anywhere close to a…[Read more]

AndrewAD,Do you have a problem with scripture?Here is a compilation of the several passages and/or scriptural reasonings that suggest that Jesus Christ is deity. Isaiah 54:5″For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth. Mark 12:35 While…[Read more]

Feeling threatened, t8? It seems to be going around…talk is cheap.

BD,By denying that Mike belittles me makes you part of the problem. Btw, does the term Muslim offend you, are you not a Muslim?A key element in this area of verbal abuse will no doubt be confrontation of the abuser. It's important for you to realize that confrontation is a biblical principle. Jesus taught about this in Matthew 18:15-20. I would…[Read more]

Pierre,This article is good for answering your questions and has plenty of scripture to back up what is said on the matter:http://www.ucg.org/booklet….n-being

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 30 2012,14:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 29 2012,16:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 28 2012,17:33)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2012,15:53)Do you really think that belittling others pleases God?I believe God is pleased when I put you on the hot seat, and make you stand and defend the twistings of scripture that you preach.In all…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 30 2012,14:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 29 2012,17:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 28 2012,17:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2012,16:17)So, Mike, can you say Yeshua is the LORD JEHOVAH?Sorry Kathi,My God is named Jehovah.  His Son is named Jesus – not Jehovah the second, or Jehovah Jr.And what was His name before the…[Read more]

Andrew,Well, we are far apart in our beliefs, unfortunately. The Bible is clear on the pre-existence of the Son of God, the incarnation, and the deity of the Son of God, imo. The plan you speak of that was made from the foundation of the world is the plan of the Son becoming the Messiah…a man to save men as their kinsman Redeemer.I have found it…[Read more]

Pierre,No I haven't gone blind. What part of my 'opinion' do you need scriptures for?

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2012,15:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 01 2012,12:03)Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2012,00:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 30 2012,21:58)Pierre,Christ emptied Himself before He became flesh. It doesn't tell us what He emptied Himself of but we are told that He hoped to receive back the glory that He had shared with His Father…[Read more]

Quote (AndrewAD @ Sep. 30 2012,09:49)Quote (AndrewAD @ Sep. 30 2012,22:11)Quote He chose to limit Himself, that is not a defect but an act of heroism.Kathi is it really that heroic or that great of an accomplishment if a God become man did what Jesus the man actually did?Many gods have done heroic things in the form of man or so many of the…[Read more]

Mike,you asked:Quote And if we were told that the First Adam has existed from eternity, would this mean the Second Adam – the one the first Adam begot at some time – has also existed from eternity? NO.If the first Adam existed from eternity, then he would be God. If the second Adam was the son of the first Adam and had the exact nature as the…[Read more]

Mike,you say:Quote She also understands that saying a begotten son has existed as long as his father has existed completely negates the very meaning of “begotten”, “son”, and “father”.When the father is human that is so but the Father of Jesus is not human and you don't seem to take that into consideration.If God the Father has attributes 'xyz' in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 30 2012,14:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 30 2012,12:08)A literal son of Adam who is also named Adam would be very Adam of very Adam…the son who is very Adam is OF the father who is very Adam.This is not hard, t8.Karhi,Will you continue to PRETEND that you don't know what we're saying?You are talking about NAMES, which is…[Read more]