T8,Do you not believe that YHWH in your option #1 is the Father?Please answer my question about Gen 19:24..

Hi Dennison,You're beliefs are now slowly coming back to me…:)Wasn't the Father in heaven when He held that scroll? Doesn't it say that “no one in heaven” could open the scroll except the Lamb?Rev 5:1Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2And I saw a mighty…[Read more]

Quote (AndrewAD @ Oct. 16 2012,16:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 16 2012,13:45)Andrew,I never saw the Nicene creed as making three Gods to be one. I don't think that the Nicene Creed specifically mentions that. I really don't see a difference between those Arian confessions and the Nicene creed. Why do you like the confession if it says that the Son…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 16 2012,13:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 14 2012,14:43)Pierre seemed to say that Jesus never received worship as a theos but only as in the sense of 'honor' and I totally disagree.Disagree all you want, but you can't PROVE that anyone EVER “worshipped” Jesus with the worship due a diety.This is from your imagination, and not…[Read more]

Hi Charles,The Father is not also the Son otherwise He could have opened the seals on the scroll of Rev 5. Only the Son could open the seals, not even the Father. The Father did not become the kinsman redeemer who had to be human. The Son became human and was the second Adam. The second Adam redeemed what the first Adam lost.

Quote (jammin @ Oct. 15 2012,23:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 16 2012,12:27)Pierre,jammin is not saying that the two who are both God natured are only one person. One is not the other. The Father is not the Son and visa versa.  Also, regarding the Jews and Gentiles that are believers, they make up ONE new man (singular), neither Jew nor Gentile.Eph…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 15 2012,21:11)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 16 2012,07:27)Pierre,jammin is not saying that the two who are both God natured are only one person. One is not the other. The Father is not the Son and visa versa.  Also, regarding the Jews and Gentiles that are believers, they make up ONE new man (singular), neither Jew nor…[Read more]

Hi Dennison, Good to see you!

Yeah, we agree on something

Well, if you are referring to YHWH the Father, then choice 1 is what I believe. There is only one YHWH the Father.Now a question for you:How many beings are called YHWH in this verse:Gen 19:24 Then YHWH rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from YHWH out of the heavens. 1) one2) two

YHWH the Lord of lords is the son and servant of YHWH the Father and is in unity with Him as YHWH in the fullest sense. Read my signature

Andrew,I never saw the Nicene creed as making three Gods to be one. I don't think that the Nicene Creed specifically mentions that. I really don't see a difference between those Arian confessions and the Nicene creed. Why do you like the confession if it says that the Son was begotten before the ages? It anathemas anyone that says He wasn't…[Read more]

Quote (AndrewAD @ Oct. 13 2012,17:21)Hi Kathy and thanks for your kind response,I appreciate you relating to where I am at in my theology at this point.As I related to you in one of my responses in the Divider of Christians thread I feel we see some things similarly to the which you responded that we”unfortunately don't”Perhaps I haven't or don't…[Read more]

I would not say that satan is the god of this world at all.

Pierre,jammin is not saying that the two who are both God natured are only one person. One is not the other. The Father is not the Son and visa versa.  Also, regarding the Jews and Gentiles that are believers, they make up ONE new man (singular), neither Jew nor Gentile.Eph 2:14For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has…[Read more]

Andrew, I agree with that confession.

Pierre,If you want to ask me something, you are going to have to do that in another thread. This one is a closed discussion. Thanks!

Well Bo, There is capitalization in English and that is what the Greek and Hebrew is translated in. There is also no punctuation in Greek. If we translated the Greek into English and did not use capitalization or punctuation then we wouldn't be translating with understanding into English and we would have a lot more confusion. When you quote the…[Read more]

t8-Let's address your confusion of what I post, one by one:Quote You accuse me of being carnal and then go onto teaching how YHWH is like cell biology.Don't make it out to be something other than what it was intended to be…an example of one cell coming from another as an offspring of the other, exactly like the other. Jesus said that the kingdom…[Read more]

Another NDE with a very good testimony told in a spirit of humility and love. Very humbling and thought provoking.http://vimeo.com/16226618