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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 23 2012,14:55)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 23 2012,13:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 23 2012,23:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 22 2012,17:11)John 1:1In the beginning was the word, and the word was with the Father, and the word was .That is brilliant, Kathi.  So simple, yet I've never thought to use it!  :)Obviously, if the God t…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 23 2012,13:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 22 2012,17:11)John 1:1In the beginning was the word, and the word was with the Father, and the word was .That is brilliant, Kathi.  So simple, yet I've never thought to use it!  :)Obviously, if the God the Word was with in John 1:1 was the Father, then the Word could not possibly be t…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 8 months ago

    Mike,You need to give this video a chance…you like the other one that he teaches on. Please :cool:

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    You are welcome Mike! I'm glad that you are enjoying your 'birthday present' from me :)

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    Here Mike, I see that it is your birthday so here is a present for you:This should interest you regarding this subject. More in the series:Sorry but this video did not have an 'old' embed code:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v….p_video

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2012,20:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 20 2012,16:09)Quote (jammin @ Oct. 19 2012,03:36)the greek word says monogenes theos.it also means GOD THE ONLY SON.Not even in your wildest dreams does “monogenes theos” mean “God the only Son”.Ask your friend Kathi about it, jammin.  She'll confirm what I'm telling you.Mike,I heard…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2012,21:54)Watch this for a scholar teaching about the Jewish Trinity: Israelite MonotheismHe specializes and has a doctorate in studying ancient texts. This will be helpful to all!Watch this people!!!

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ Oct. 22 2012,05:11)RichT, try this fair test that proves the Trinity Doctrine is false.If this test is not good enough for you, then obviously in that case, the bible is not good enough for you.Be honest when you consider this:Try replacing the word ‘God’ in any of the 100 verses below (or any other verse containing that word) and rep…[Read more]

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    Bo,What was said in the video to make you think that it is not saying that the Father is greater?If one of the two 'powers' in heaven came from within the other 'power' then the 'power' that brought forth the 2nd one would be greater in the sense that the 1st 'power' was able to being another 'power' just like Him forth and was not 'brought forth'…[Read more]

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    Charles,you said:Quote ALL THAT MY FATHER HAS ARE MINE!!!Look at the context for that and tell me what you think it is referring to.

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    Charles,I'm sorry but I'm lost in your explanation. Does the Father and the Son and the Spirit each have a will? Are you saying that the Spirit of the Father and the Spirit of the Son are the same Spirit? Is this Spirit a person?Bear with me Charles. I'm confused ???

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    Bo,That video supports the authority of the Bible, it doesn't seek to surpass it. Do you have questions about the video?

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 20 2012,21:02)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2012,18:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 19 2012,18:15)If human beings must go through a mediator to get to God, then the mediator cannot be the God we are going through him to get to.(Boy, that's an oddly worded sentence.  :) )How strange that you keep forgetting that one is the Father…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 20 2012,21:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2012,19:10)Mike,This is a good translation of Phil 2:6 to show you the view that fits best, imo.Philippians 2:6-11New International Version (NIV)6 Who, being in very nature God,    did not consider equality with God (the Father) something to be used to his own advantage;I'd like t…[Read more]

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    Mike,Quote But could you tell jammin that “God the only SON” is not a viable translation of “monogenes theos”?I think that jammin understands monogenes theos as the only begotten God. I think that what you have in quote marks, he means to say 'the only begotten God that is the only begotten Son.'

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 8 months ago

    Watch this for a scholar teaching about the Jewish Trinity: Israelite MonotheismHe specializes and has a doctorate in studying ancient texts. This will be helpful to all!

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    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 18 2012,12:31)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 18 2012,22:47)Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 18 2012,11:39)kathiQuote This does not make Him less powerful than the Lamb, it just makes Him not qualified as one who had to overcome the temptation to sin and be slain. There are many things that the Lamb did that the Father did not do and many…[Read more]

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    When I say “original eternal nature” I'm referring to the eternal past. Btw, Jesus wouldn't have died if He didn't empty Himself and become flesh.Go watch that video! Please!!

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    Watch the video to answer many of your questions, Bo.

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 18 2012,09:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 18 2012,07:54)Mike,you asked:Quote Also, do you acknowledge that you can't make a SOLID claim of “God-worship” to Jesus just from the Greek word “proskuneo”, and that any claims of such from you or others is only wishful thinking that can't possibly be proved from scripture?No, not…[Read more]

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