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Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago
I have a question for the skeptics who believe that Jesus was created, t8, Mike and all. If the Father is the only true God, as you claim, the Son is the only true ____.Please fill in the blank, thanks!
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 27 2012,03:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2012,22:50)Mike,Jesus can do EVERYTHING He sees the Almighty God the Father doing. How can one do that unless He is almighty also.What scripture says Jesus can do EVERYTHING the Father can do?Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2012,22:50) Remembering that the Son is a theos…how many theos…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago
t8you said:Quote Each is YHWH because they are melded together by the spirit according to you.Each is YHWH because each eternally existed. Their Spirit is united to be one spirit within believers.
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2012,23:50)t8,Quote “For us there is one God the Father.”For you there are at least 2 gods, God the Father, and God the Son.I don't have two God the Fathers, I just have one God the Father also…who happens to be with one God the Son.Mike,Jesus can do EVERYTHING He sees the Almighty God the Father doing. How can one do…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The divider of Christians in the forum Truth or Tradition 13 years, 6 months ago
No Mike,Eternal beings are almighty and can do anything they purpose to do. The eternal Father had to have an eternal Son within Him in order to be a 'father.'I don't know of any fathers who were fathers before their first offspring existed within their parent.
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago
t8,Quote “For us there is one God the Father.”For you there are at least 2 gods, God the Father, and God the Son.I don't have two God the Fathers, I just have one God the Father also…who happens to be with one God the Son.Mike,Jesus can do EVERYTHING He sees the Almighty God the Father doing. How can one do that unless He is almighty also. Two…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 6 months ago
Bo,Is YHWH your God?
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 25 2012,12:23)Kathi,The SON OF the Most High God cannot also be the Most High God UNLESS you believe in TWO Most High Gods.You do, so many things in scripture simply don't apply to you. See, you have forsaken the most critical teaching of the Bible: Yahweh your God is ONE.You point out that the Hebrew word “echad” can r…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Jews and divine plurality as per the videos in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 6 months ago
Here are the slides that go with the videos…they are full of scriptures. What an awesome presentation!http://www.gracebellingham.org/index.p….emid=41
Lightenup replied to the topic The divider of Christians in the forum Truth or Tradition 13 years, 6 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 25 2012,14:20)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 24 2012,22:45)Why in the world would angels and men be YHWH since they were created?? You can't be YHWH and have a created beginningBingo! Jesus was created as the first of YHWH's works, and Micah 5 speaks about his beginning.Surely you can now at least see why we don't buy into y…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The divider of Christians in the forum Truth or Tradition 13 years, 6 months ago
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 25 2012,17:37)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 25 2012,18:45)Nah, He never emptied Himself of Himself. He was still YHWH the Son when He was also man.Oh this is getting real interesting now.YHWH 1 is the Father and doesn't have a name.YHWH 2 has the name Yeshua and he emptied himself of something.So lets revise the theory so far:Another…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The divider of Christians in the forum Truth or Tradition 13 years, 6 months ago
Watch the videos, learn something. I'm trying to help you!!
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago
So Ed, God has 4 tiles now…if He gets one more does He get kicked out from HN?Just kidding, I couldn't resist

Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago
Mike,Notice your verse does not say 'Most High YHWH,' or 'Most High Lord.' My claim is that Elohim, a unity of two who are both eternal, one is Father and one is Son, and the Father is the God of gods then the Son who is Lord of Lords would be the Son of the Most High God. The Lord of lords is the Son of the God of gods. YHWH is both the God of…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago
Quote (Richtuner @ Oct. 25 2012,08:25)t8, Quote Oh I understand you wanting to move on. The biggest proof verse for the Trinity is not even a biblical verse.A simple, “Oh I didn't realise that this was not a verse” would have sufficed.You see this is my point. You still accuse me of something I don't believe. Calling people out and telling them…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago
T8Quote (t8 @ Oct. 25 2012,03:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 25 2012,18:03)t8,You should get to know the shema: “Hear O Israel, the LORD our God , the LORD is One .”I see.”Hear O Israel,Yahweh our Gods, the Yahweh is One substance.”Let's just say that you are on your own with that one.“Hear O Israel, the LORD our God , the LORD is One .”Do…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The divider of Christians in the forum Truth or Tradition 13 years, 6 months ago
Here you skeptics go, t8, Mike, Pierre…plenty of scripture to help you see.Watch all four videos here:http://dawnmarie4.wordpress.com/an-unex….stament
Lightenup replied to the topic The divider of Christians in the forum Truth or Tradition 13 years, 6 months ago
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 24 2012,19:29)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 21 2012,16:38)When I say “original eternal nature” I'm referring to the eternal past.Which comes from the creeds of men.Another God eternally proceeding from the Original God and yet not one without the other and both YHWH, and sharing the same DNA code that is spirit, but excluding angels and…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The divider of Christians in the forum Truth or Tradition 13 years, 6 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 23 2012,13:55)The question was WHY would we need to come to the SECOND Almighty God? If Jesus can do everything his own God can do, then why is the hope to be judged worthy by Jesus to approach God?Is the second Almighty God capable of doing something for us that the first one cannot do? YES or NO?Yes, one is a F…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago
t8,You should get to know the shema: “Hear O Israel, the LORD our God , the LORD is One .”
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