Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,16:53)Kathi there are more than 2 powers in Heaven.The ultimate power is the Father. He has made Jesus both Lord and Christ, thus the highest power under him.We then likely have angels and Michael is likely the highest power in the angelic realm.We also have 24 elders who we are not sure who they are. Some have suggested…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Are eternal beings ever said to have been “born”? Yes…Jesus.Quote How about “begotten”? Yes…Jesus.Quote “Created”? No…Jesus is not said to be created.Quote “Brought forth as the first of someone else's works”? Yes, begotten, same thing…Wisdom.Quote Are they ever said to be “sons”? Yes…the only begotten God, the only begotten…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2012,18:57)I'm still waiting for the scripture that says God was “eternally a Father”.Mike,You have to use your reasoning skills with verses like where both are called 'the First and the Last.' Also, you will not find a verse that says “today I have become your Father” technically. Some translations translate the Psalms…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,16:21)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,00:08)Paul of Tarsus: For us there is one God the Father.Kathi of America: For me there is one God the Father + Son/KJ of America: For me there is one God the Father, Son, SpiritKathi. Whom shall I believe. Kathi of America, KJ of America, or Paul of Tarsus.Would appreciate an answer…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,16:19)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,00:31)t8, the scripture doesn't say Jesus became a son that day, it just says He was begotten/brought forth that day. Were your sons you 'son' before they were born/begotten? Weren't they sons already for months before they were actually born?“I will surely tell of the decree of the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,16:16)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,00:55)t8,I do not believe that YHWH is defined as a substance or essence. It seems to be more about an eternal existence.Got it. I realise you differ here with the Triune Group.So you say that God is the Father and the combination of the Father and son. But God is not the son because…[Read more]

Mike,Here is a verse, 'gods':Gal 4:6 However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods.That is good that you answered jammin.I have said all I'm going to say about John 1:18 in this regard. It really seems pointless.

Hi William, I believe the Son has an eternal existence and has the same essence as the Father who also has an eternal existence. So, I wouldn't say the Son IS the essence but HAS the essence of the Father. The Father and Son have eternal existence which makes them both YHWH and together with their Spirit, makes them one eternal unity, in other…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 29 2012,13:21)Pierre, t8, Mike,To understand the first century Jew and how they saw YHWH as two powers watch this fourth video from here:http://www.gracebellingham.org/index.p….emid=41Pierre, please watch that video and then I will pin point what you asked for. The video will help you understand what I will show you.…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 28 2012,22:54)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 28 2012,20:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 27 2012,23:39)If the Father is the only true God, as you claim, the Son is the only true ____.Please fill in the blank, thanks!“Son, Servant, Messiah, Prophet, and Lamb OF God”.Thanks Mike,Do you think that 'Lord' should be on that list?Also, you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2012,22:23)Kathi,I haven't read your post or watched your video yet.  Tell me, do either of them change the words, “I can do NOTHING of my own initiative”?Of not, then please explain those words to me – and how you think those are words of EQUALITY between the one who can do nothing without his God, and that God.Mike,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 29 2012,21:50)t8,You have a couple of questions that you have not answered. Keep in mind that this is the hot seat and if you avoid questions you get a tile unless you are above your own rules Here are the questions you haven't answered that I am asking you to answer:Quote Now, please clarify if you believe that each…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,05:46)Kathi you err once again.Israel was one man.Israel was one nation.Each person in that nation was not called Israel.Quote QuoteYou never refer to a group of beings, 2+ as HIM. I have made no error. The error is yours. A nation is a unity made up of more than one being and referred to with the word 'his' which, like…[Read more]

Quote You say that God is YHWH.The Father is YHWH.Jesus is YHWH.Both of them together is YHWH.The following is more accurate:I say our Elohim is YHWH Echad, an eternal unity of YHWh the Father-our one God, YHWH the Son-our one Lord together with their united Spirit in one eternal unity.I used 'Elohim' in a more general fuller sense of the term…[Read more]

t8,If Adam had a son named Adam also, then there would be two identified as Adam who both had the qualities of adam, correct?

I would never say 'YHWH' our Gods is one substance' in regards to the shema.YHWH our Elohim is YHWH Echad, the eternal unity. The emphasis is on being eternal and being a unity, not on a substance.Furthermore, why are you taking my 'English' words and 'translating' them? They are already in English. You are trying to paraphrase them and you are…[Read more]

t8,I do not believe that YHWH is defined as a substance or essence. It seems to be more about an eternal existence.

t8,I would not say one YHWH 'substancce' or much of the other stuff you said. The Son was begotten at one point in time and before that, He was within the Father. He is not begotten over and over if that is what you are implying.The Father, Son, nd Spirit are one YHWH Echad, one eternal unity.

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,05:08)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,00:02)T8,Why can't you see that I believe in one YHWH Echad that is one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ together with their united Spirit. See my signature. If you are going to 'laugh' about what I believe, at least write it in a way that is complete. Why don't you just copy…[Read more]

t8, the scripture doesn't say Jesus became a son that day, it just says He was begotten/brought forth that day. Were your sons you 'son' before they were born/begotten? Weren't they sons already for months before they were actually born?