Quote The second point is HIS because Israel is a single nation.YHWH is HE because YHWH is a single unity.

The Father is not the only true God in the 'fullest' sense since the fullest sense would be the one true God AND the Lord of lords together with their Spirit. The YHWH Echad, the eternal unity is God in the fullest sense. But, the Father is the only true God in a more specific sense compared to the created gods.It seems for you that God in His…[Read more]

You said binity is two persons, one being, didn't you? You said that you and your wife were not a binity. If you call what I believe as a binity then you are talking out of two sides of your mouth and are a double minded man.I do not claim binity or trinity as I have said clearly. Stop labeling me that.You can call me a Christian or one who…[Read more]

t8,Quote Paul is saying that God is the Father. And Jesus is Lord.And scripture says this:Deut 10 14“Behold, to YHWH your God belong heaven and the highest heavens, the earth and all that is in it. 15“Yet on your fathers did the LORD set His affection to love them, and He chose their descendants after them, even you above all peoples, as it is thi…[Read more]

t8,It is like you are almost getting it but then you don't. It really is simple and most Christians agree that the Father and Son are both YHWH. I don't know why you think I am the only one.

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,23:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,16:08)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,16:21)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,00:08)Paul of Tarsus: For us there is one God the Father.Kathi of America: For me there is one God the Father + Son/KJ of America: For me there is one God the Father, Son, SpiritKathi. Whom shall I believe. Kathi of America,…[Read more]

Well, I differ in that I don't see from scriptures the Holy Spirit as an individual person with a separate will and mind. I see the Holy Spirit as the omnipresence and 'inner person' so to speak of both the Father and the Son. I see the Holy Spirit as eternally their 'inner person' and omnipresence. Our spirit is called our 'inner person' and that…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,15:32)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,01:14)t8,If Adam had a son named Adam also, then there would be two identified as Adam who both had the qualities of adam, correct?Correct.But the second Adam would not be Adam the son of God.Well, is Adam called the 'son of God?' Not technically from what I can recall. Maybe I missed…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,15:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,02:00)If Jacob HAD given his son the name 'Israel' also, then there would have been two persons identified as Israel as well as the nation that is a unity of more than one member.This proves absolutely nothing. You are trying to win a point on a technicality, when it is an unrelated…[Read more]

Hi Bo,I do believe that Jesus is a true God since like begets like, not like begets less than like. I believe that He is Lord…the Lord of lords that YHWH is. I do not believe that He is the ruler or master over the Father.In the context of John 17:2For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you…[Read more]

t8,you said:Quote God is YHWH combined, an eternal unity of YHWH the Father-our one God, YHWH the Son-our one Lord together with their united Spirit in one eternal unity. So God is the Father and God is the combination of the Father and Son, but God is not the Son because he is Lord.YHWH our God is YHWH Echad, an eternal unity of YHWH the…[Read more]

t8,you said this and it is that which I proved wrong:Quote You never refer to a group of beings, 2+ as HIM.Is a nation a group of beings?Yes or No?In this verse, is the word 'his' a pronoun that has as its antecedent a group of beings?Yes of No?Let Israel be glad in his Maker; Let the sons of Zion rejoice in their Kingt8, you are trying too hard…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,02:44)Actually I thought of a better username for you Mike.Me T8You K9.What about it?Ok, that made me laugh!

The verse isn't meant to teach who YHWH is, Mike.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2012,21:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2012,20:45)Mike,I think this sums things up to show that Jesus is making Himself out to be the Son of God and therefore God with the Father:I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself……………I enjoy your sense of humor, Kathi.  What God does, Jesus does.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2012,18:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2012,06:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 28 2012,20:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 27 2012,23:39)If the Father is the only true God, as you claim, the Son is the only true ____.Please fill in the blank, thanks!“Son, Servant, Messiah, Prophet, and Lamb OF God”.Thanks Mike,Do you think that…[Read more]

I didn't say that He was making Himself out to be God 'the Father' but as Boditharta has enough sense to say, if Jesus is a literal son of God, that would make Him the same type as the Father…the God type. God the Father beget God the Son. Like begets like. Very God of very God. Light of Light.

Mike,Quote Jesus is never said to have been created?  I take it that you no longer consider “wisdom” in Provebs 8 to be speaking about Jesus then?Wisdom wasn't created, it was brought forth.Quote It seems we BOTH agree that God the Father is from eternityYou agree that God the Father is from eternity, then so is the Son. Apart from there being an…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2012,21:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2012,20:08)4There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.Are WE not the “one body”, Kathi?  Are WE then included in this “Divine…[Read more]

Mike,I think this sums things up to show that Jesus is making Himself out to be the Son of God and therefore God with the Father:John 5“I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he d…[Read more]