t8,How many persons who have been called 'the theos' anywhere in the Bible do we need to know, to believe in, and to serve to gain eternal life?

Quote So I and the disciples and Jesus all have the same God.No, you don't have the same God as the disciples and Jesus had. Jesus' God was His Father not His creator. You believe that Jesus' God was His creator. I agree with Jesus and also have Jesus. Didn't you tell me that we need to believe in two theos for our eternal salvation?

The Godhead of Kathi is the God of Jesus and Jesus…together with their Spirit…the YHWH Echad, the eternal unity. I have made this clear on many occasions and in my signature.Your God however, is not the God of Jesus. The God of Jesus was His Father, not His creator.

Mike,Quote You and I and Kathi all agree that the God of Jesus is the Father.Paul and I agree that the God of Jesus is His Father but you believe the God of Jesus is His creator. There lies a big difference. Where is it that Jesus called God 'His creator?'

Bo, So we decide whether we believe the Bible or not…whether Jesus suffered and died and rose again and thus paid the price for our sins, or He didn't. I don't see why this would be a difficult choice. I believe that it was a most loving sacrifice that was made for all who will accept it and we can stand atoned, once for all…grateful for ever…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2012,20:30)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2012,20:33)Like I said, Jesus did not believe in a God that created Him like you two. His God was His Father.What?  Jesus is the one who plainly said he was the beginning of the creation by God.Where is your SCRIPTURAL support that “Jesus did not believe in a God that created…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,16:40)Kathi – I'm impressed with you steadfast perseverence and accurate handling of scripture in the face some quite spiteful opposition from the henotheists and their variants.Nice one.Gracias Paul! I'm so glad you are back…don't let them steal your joy!!

t8,Quote Do you understand that. I mean really Kathi. We are genuinely interested in the truth. Do you honestly think that at some point we are going to say, “wow you are right” given your evidence to date.I have shown you many reasons…for instance:Jesus is the First and the Last.The Word of YHWH was equal to YHWH in the minds of the OT Jews.Two…[Read more]

How many persons that have ever been called 'the theos' do we need to know, believe in and serve in order to have eternal life, t8?

Ed, There is one God, the only Son who explains God the Father.

t8,Define spirit in this context “God is spirit.”Then define spirit in this context, “He gives His spirit to beings and that spirit, if not remaining, returns to God.”

Correction, I don't argue that He is called at times an Angel of YHWH. I have proven that He is not an angel being though.

I agree, God gave humans their spirit. There is no mention of our spirits being eternal.Jesus has a spirit, yes.

Glad to see you Paul…yes I am doing very well. Please stick around!!!

Quote the LORD thy God is twoThe LORD is two powers, the Father and the Son.How many who were ever called 'the theos' in the entire Bible were involved in creation, t8?

t8,The truth never bullies me, you do. If you don't want me to tell you what I believe stop asking me what I believe. You are the one asking the questions. I am just answering you. If you feel bullied because I simply answer you, then stop asking. Simple.

I haven't read that our spirits eternally existed otherwise we would also be God.

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 08 2012,22:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,17:23)Jesus came OUT from God. He had to be within before He could come out.Where do you think your spirit came from?Mars?There was a time when men did not exist, not so with the Son of God.

Stop acting like a bully, t8. This is not second grade.

t8, A unity is usually more than one, duh.If you do not have theos the Son, you do not have theos the Father, t8. I have declared what I believe openly in my signature. In the context of the shema, I believe in the YHWH Echad, the eternal unity. I believe in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ together with their Spirit. All are worshiped by…[Read more]