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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago

    Mike,Quote You'll agree the correct answer is “A”, right? So why would you not assume the TYPICAL conclusion when it comes to our God YHWH, who is not only said to be “ONE”, but is also described OVER 7000 TIMES in scripture with SINGULAR pronouns?Yes, A would be the answer to a question that would seem ridiculous and never actually wondered…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago

    Mike,Quote Obama, your President, is ONE.Don't you see that this would be ridiculous to say about one singular person? Hey everyone Obama is one person…spread the word. ??? Now if I said this:Israel is one.Does that make you think of Jacob being one person or the nation called 'Israel' is unified or united in some manner?

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago

    Mike,Quote So then you ARE making that one little word “echad” into a far-fetched doctrine because you WANT Jesus to be God Almighty along with his Father.I want truth to prevail. The doctrine of the Father and Son being members of a compound unity is not far-fetched at all. Jesus directly makes that claim that He and the Father are one. It seems…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ Nov. 14 2012,05:44)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 13 2012,22:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2012,13:55)The problem with this Mike, is YHWH is not just God but God and Lord. You just want YHWH to be God but not Lord apparently.LU, you appear confused.God made Jesus Lord.So God is greater than Lord.Yes technically speaking God is the Lord of Jesus, but…[Read more]

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    Quote (david @ Nov. 12 2012,16:00)CARMELT8PIERREMIKEKATHYPLEASE VISIT ONE OF THE OTHER 4000 reads if you want to argue over WHETHER a belief is true. THIS THREAD, is only about the SIMILARITIES AND DIFFERENCES between what T8, mike and Pierre believe.THIS IS THE SECOND THREAD I HAVE STARTED ON THIS SUBJECT.  I can do this 100 times.  I'm fine w…[Read more]

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    Bo,I haven't thought much about Romans 3:25 but this is my unscholarly opinion. Adam was punished since he was cast out of the garden, had to work harder, died, to name a few of the punishments…also did not have the same kind of relationship with God as before. So, the verse may be talking about eternal punishment. Before Jesus died, all man…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago

    t8,Quote Yes technically speaking God is the Lord of Jesus, but God made Jesus Lord over all, except God of course.Jesus is the one Lord according to Paul in the context of the Father as the one God. Does Jesus ever call the Father, the only Lord?

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ Nov. 13 2012,03:33)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2012,13:47)Now tell me how many we need to believe IN, not just believe for eternal life.So you think that you have to believe in Jesus to gain eternal life or just believe Jesus?We need to believe in God. And to believe in God is to believe in the one who he has sent.If we have not God,…[Read more]

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    Quote Thanks, but I know what I'm doing. Well then you knowingly are very ineffective since you act like you don't know…and several times on just this thread you have acted like you don't know. You two are going back and forth saying the same thing over and over. Try what I suggested and get on with it.You don't know how two Gods can be one God…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 12 2012,21:14)Then find me an AUTHENTIC Aramaic dictionary that says “marya” means “The Lord Jehovah”.You've seen the four I've been able to find online, right?  Do ANY of those four say what you claim?  YES or NO?You don't look in a dictionary for the meaning of an acronym, you look in the dictionary for the meaning of a…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago

    Quote So what makes you think the same exact scenario in the case of God and HIS Son would result in some compound being?I have never said compound 'being'…I have said compound unity or simply 'unity' which is meant to mean the same thing as compound unity but I have never said 'compound being.'Quote Or do you think maybe you're just reading a…[Read more]

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    The Aramaic Bible in plain English is not a mistranslation. The Aramaic scholars at Peshitta.org agrees with it.

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    Mike,Just tell jammin that you mean Almighty God 'the Father.' That is all he wants you to say so that he can answer your question.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago

    t8,Do you believe a unity can have a member within it that has authority over another member within that same unity?

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago

    Mike,Do you understand that 'echad' can mean unity?Do you understand that YHWH is echad?

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 12 2012,18:04)Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2012,20:48)Hi Mike,You have not proven anything until you prove it to someone else.What I proved is that it is scriptural that we have the very same God Jesus has.If Jesus' God isn't a combination of Father and Son, then our God isn't a combination of Father and Son.People are free to…[Read more]

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    Bo, I take them as facts. I believe God's Word, the Bible. These facts changed the world.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ Nov. 12 2012,14:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 12 2012,12:41)do we need to know, believe in, and serve, in order to gain eternal life?Ultimately it is one God that we believe and serve to gain eternal life.He delegates his authority firstly to Christ, the head of the Church and our Lord. Then to angels, apostles, prophets, teachers,…[Read more]

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    Page 20 of the notes for the first video from this link:http://www.gracebellingham.org/index.p….emid=41What follows is a summary thus far:To This Point*Biblical use of the word elohim shows us itis not tied to a set of attributes.*Explains why more than one thing can be described with elohim.*English translations at time obscure the meaning and…[Read more]

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    Page 18 of the notes of the first video:elohim=place of residenceHere the speaker has a diagram with four squares and a small square in the middle.Top left square says:Plural elohim (gods) of councilTop right square says:demonic elohimBottom left square says:elohim as messengers (angels)Bottom right square says:elohim as disembodied human deadThe…[Read more]

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