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    Hello AWHN,Well, I didn't read your posts word for word but it is clear that you are very thorough :)I was wondering if you believe that the Father is YHVH also and do you have a verse that speaks about the Father as YHVH where it is clearly not the Son?Thanks!LU

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    Lightenup replied to the topic David Magic in the forum Debates 13 years, 5 months ago

    Hi Tim,Your story grieves me. I'm sorry for what you have gone through, I can only imagine. It seems that if your pastor were able to give you the answers you sought, you would not have lost your hope in God. I would like to enter into a one on one discussion with you about your questions. I don't know if I can give you answers but I will try and…[Read more]

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    Ha, I will be more careful next time, David.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic David Magic in the forum Debates 13 years, 5 months ago

    Quote I suggest no one else watch this documentary. Only TIM.:laugh: Your pretty sneaky, David :;): I'm going to be watching you as you practice on us, ha!

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    Bo,Hello! I hope your holiday was refreshing. Sorry that I haven't responded in several days. I was out of town and did not spend too much time online.you asked:Quote am asking ou what was lost? He didn't lose his life if it is eternal so what was lost?It seems to me that one of the things He gave up was His eternal life since He died. He also…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic David Magic in the forum Debates 13 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (david @ Nov. 24 2012,10:12)Stu, watch the video.  I am actually certain you will enjoy the video.  I know you will.  I'm sorry.  I guess you were on topic.  I thought you were saying something else.  If you want me to tell you why God doesnt heal amputees, you perhaps misunderstand my thoughts on this.  The video makes the same point you do…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2012,15:54)I was just talking about when 'the theos' was used for Jesus, not theos without the 'the.'Your evaluation is not correct if you consider 'the theos' and 'theos' without the article.I would say that the Father is most of the 'the theos' and 'theos' without the article.Then, the Son.Then, the idols and false…[Read more]

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    Quote (Guncher @ Nov. 24 2012,03:27)Thanks GuysNo other religion or faith can get me to GodSalvation is only through Jesus. Of this I am certainMy situation is one of wrestling against sinful habits. Failure to overcome these has led me to despairHow can I be a christian and still do these thing, is a question in my mindI pray  for victory but I…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ Nov. 17 2012,04:15)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2012,10:38)Is this your way of saying that there are two that are called 'the theos' that are one?It would be if I could see all the scriptures that called Jesus, theos. You said there were 5 or so, and that wouldn't be much to post here. Then I could go through each one and see if they…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ Nov. 18 2012,16:33)Is, I can't find it. I can see 1 John 1:2-3, but not your paraphrase of John 17:1-5. Please copy and paste it as it will take you less than a minute if it is there. I would appreciate that.I am not necessarily speaking for Paul since he can speak very well for himself but I would like to address John 17:1-5I agree…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 16 2012,22:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2012,14:26)t8-1.  Where does scripture say that the judges were theos?2.  Where have men been called theos?3.  Where are angels called theos?1.  Judges 5:8 NASB © “New gods were chosen; Then war was in the gates. Not a shield or a spear was seen Among forty thousand in Isra…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 16 2012,22:25)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2012,19:49)Mike,you asked:Quote Kathi,1.  Is it possible that the Father, BY HIMSELF, is the God of gods and Lord of lords?  2.  Is it possible that Jesus is someone OTHER THAN God Almighty, who is ALSO called by the title “Lord of lords”?  3.  Does the fact that the Father and the…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 16 2012,22:21)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2012,19:42)Where doe it say that some of us will also be one 'with' them?John 17:21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.It seems to me that “being one” means Jesus is in…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2012,15:26)t8-Where does scripture say that the judges were theos?Where have men been called theos?Where are angels called theos?I asked t8 this question in the quoted post and did not get an answer but scripture that do not specifically say that judges are theos, or men, or angels. He tried to tell me that satan was the…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 16 2012,22:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2012,05:38)T8 and Mike,Please answer this question:Do you agree that the two who are called 'the theos' in scriptures and are together involved in creation, salvation of all mankind, sit together on one throne, whose name has power to heal, who receive all praise honor, glory AND…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Hello, I hope that all members in America had a Happy Thanksgiving! I was gone out of town for a week but I'm back and I see that there are many posts to address. Mike, and t8, I do not have time now to address everything so, bring up again what you would especially like me to address and I will do the same. Sorry for any confusion.

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    Mike,Was the 'word' in John 1c THE only begotten God?

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    Ahhhh…depending on who is 'invited,' this could be the beginnings of the HN cybercult directed by a fearless leader, i.e. 'Super Moderator.' Would there be an initiation ceremony? How about levels to achieve?Wait a minute…this sounds like something that would be considered an 'organized religion' that would be organized by those who are…[Read more]

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    You ask the moderators for them here in this thread. New members do not automatically get them. t8/Heaven the moderator will likely give them to you. Then you can edit your post and substitute the wrong code with the right code for each video.

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    AWHN,Do you have editing rights?

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