Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 27 2013,05:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2013,07:22)Wakeup,I believe that Jehovah is two powers, one is the Father and one is the Son. Both are called Jehovah together and separately and together they act in complete cooperation and interdependency.Jehovah the Father sent Jehovah the Son. Jehovah the Father gave Jehovah the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2013,16:12)Also Kathi,You didn't address one of my questions.  I wanted to know if “the Word of YHWH” was ever said in the targums to be WITH “YHWH”.In other words, did they ALWAYS change “YHWH” to “the Word of YHWH” – to the point that “YHWH Himself” is not even mentioned at all?  Or are there scriptures where they c…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2013,15:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2013,08:43)Mike,You confuse something He inherently is with something He does…………Kathi,Your whole post relies on believing that the word “God” describes a SPECIES – of which there are only two members.I agree that Jesus is inherently a “spirit being” like his and our one and…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 26 2013,18:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2013,02:25)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 26 2013,13:02)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2013,21:09)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 25 2013,17:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2013,00:11)Wakeup,The unbelieving Jews didn't call the Two Powers of Heaven a heresy until the Second Power was identified as Jesus during…[Read more]

I'm all signed up to learn Hebrew in 2014. My hope is that it helps bring some unity in the truth of the OT and some enlightenment to the mysteries of the NT for myself and the members and readers here. I'm here to serve and I know there is much for me to learn in order to serve better.It is not too late for others to sign up to learn Hebrew or…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 26 2013,13:02)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2013,21:09)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 25 2013,17:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2013,00:11)Wakeup,The unbelieving Jews didn't call the Two Powers of Heaven a heresy until the Second Power was identified as Jesus during the Christian era. That in itself gives the idea more credibility as…[Read more]

Wakeup,I believe that Jehovah is two powers, one is the Father and one is the Son. Both are called Jehovah together and separately and together they act in complete cooperation and interdependency.Jehovah the Father sent Jehovah the Son. Jehovah the Father gave Jehovah the Son. Jehovah the Father is not Jehovah the Son.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2013,09:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 25 2013,17:12)I would still honor him as the Son, Servant, Prophet, Priest, Sacrificial Lamb, Spokesman, and Anointed One OF our one and only MOST HIGH God, Jehovah.So exactly the same way I honor him now.  How long he has lived wouldn't change one of those things listed above.Let the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 25 2013,17:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2013,00:11)Wakeup,The unbelieving Jews didn't call the Two Powers of Heaven a heresy until the Second Power was identified as Jesus during the Christian era. That in itself gives the idea more credibility as possible since they rejected Jesus as their Messiah and showed their lack of…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 25 2013,22:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2013,04:31)David the reason there are 200 threads about this topic is because the bottom line of all of them is that there are two who are a god that are for us and all the rest are not for us. It is not determined by the 'a' in the coptic translation. So when you or anyone starts a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 25 2013,17:12)I would still honor him as the Son, Servant, Prophet, Priest, Sacrificial Lamb, Spokesman, and Anointed One OF our one and only MOST HIGH God, Jehovah.So exactly the same way I honor him now.  How long he has lived wouldn't change one of those things listed above.Let the reader make note that Mike would…[Read more]

Wakeup,Jesus and the Father are both inherently God.You and your son (if you have one) are both inherently human.So when you say 'God and Jesus' it can be confusing because Jesus is god, the Father is god…both are inherently god. All other gods are not inherently god but acting as god in some manner.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 25 2013,16:55)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 24 2013,18:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 24 2013,16:43)Kathi,Isn't it you who thinks “the word of God” is often a being?   Aren't those “beings” most likely angels? In fact,  you believe Jesus is sometimes the “angel of YHWH” who is mentioned in the OT, right?  Well, an angel OF Je…[Read more]

So how do you answer the question, Pierre? Do you abide in the one who is our sanctuary and who Jehovah speaks about as Jehovah of hosts in Isa 8 and Peter identifies as Jesus in 1 Peter 2 and 3?

Wakeup,The unbelieving Jews didn't call the Two Powers of Heaven a heresy until the Second Power was identified as Jesus during the Christian era. That in itself gives the idea more credibility as possible since they rejected Jesus as their Messiah and showed their lack of truth. Read above post to tigger2.

tigger2,You might be interested in this:Written by Dr. Michael Heiser from: http://www.twopowersinheaven.com/  His home page is: http://www.michaelsheiser.com/Quote Twenty-five years ago, rabbinical scholar Alan Segal produced what is still the major work on the idea of two powers in heaven in Jewish thought. Segal argued that the two powers idea…[Read more]

Pierre,I will address this with you here:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….025;r=1

David the reason there are 200 threads about this topic is because the bottom line of all of them is that there are two who are a god that are for us and all the rest are not for us. It is not determined by the 'a' in the coptic translation. So when you or anyone starts a thread about the 'a' in John 1:1c, you will likely get someone who mentions…[Read more]

Pierre,Peter identifies Jesus as the Jehovah of hosts and the one to fear and sanctify in our hearts. He quotes Isaiah 8 in two places in 1 Peter. Chapter 2 and chapter 3. In both places Peter identifies Jesus as the one Jehovah is calling Jehovah of hosts in Isaiah 8.Those who stumble are those who deny Jehovah of hosts. Those who do not stumble…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 24 2013,16:43)Kathi,Isn't it you who thinks “the word of God” is often a being?   Aren't those “beings” most likely angels? In fact,  you believe Jesus is sometimes the “angel of YHWH” who is mentioned in the OT, right?  Well, an angel OF Jehovah is not actually Jehovah Himself – whether that angel is Jesus or Ga…[Read more]