@t8

Psalm 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Acts 13:33
that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, ‘YOU ARE MY SON; TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.’

Do you see the difference between “today I have…[Read more]

@t8

Psalm 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Acts 13:33
that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, ‘YOU ARE MY SON; TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.’

Do you see the difference between “today I have…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop
I have asked you this more than once in another thread but you do not seem to comprehend it. I ask again…would you like to have a closed discussion with me about my beliefs regarding these spiritual matters? I think that having one thread with responses to your questions in it, would be more fruitful than having them interspersed…[Read more]

@terrarica

you said:

who his the creator master God ,who his the life giver GOD the father ,who run all of creation ?

Your English is not correct and proper English words and punctuation are needed to convey your question more clearly. If you are interested in truth, show us by using English words truthfully. The word ‘his’ never means ‘is’ in…[Read more]

Anastas, maturity is a virtue but it takes time. How old are you anyway and how long have you felt like you have walked with the Lord?

God is not defined by whether or not He is called God by someone. God is a living perfect sentient being that has existed before anything else. He doesn’t need to have subjects to be the true God. Even a false god…[Read more]

@t8
You missed my point…the Son is the power of God, not overpowered by God. I am using different words to help you get what I meant when I answered your question. You made the wrong conclusion by concluding that because I said the Son was not the power over God then He was the power less than God and that is NOT the correct conclusion. He is…[Read more]

terraricca,
Jesus is given the task because HE is the Father’s power to carry out the task. He always acts according to the Father’s will and the Father always carries out His will through His power-His own Son.

The Father gives the vision, the Son carries it out. This is interdependence. The Father does not work apart from the Son, but instead,…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop
Hi Gene,
I realize that you want to have a discussion in general regarding the topic of this thread. What I am asking is if you would be interested in a closed discussion between you and me only. Would you like to do that? If so, I will start that and give you a link to it.

Gene
Jesus IS the image of the invisible God. I didn’t have to invent Him as an image of God. Your problem is with scripture, not with me.

Also, I believe that God, the Son, did become man so all your caring on about me not believing that He is a man is without merit. So, from now on, you cannot say that I don’t believe that Jesus became a man.…[Read more]

terarricca says:

BUT THE SON CANNOT BE MORE POWERFUL THAN HIS OWN FATHER ,THIS IS A FACT

What you miss is this:
The Son IS the power OF the Father. It is not a question of ‘if’ He is more powerful than the Father.

Bring on your first question, not all at once. We will start there, terraricca.

@t8
If there is an always existent Father, then an always existent Son is implied. The two are interdependent.

You seem to think that the Father is and was God apart from the Son, I do not agree. I believe that the Father as God of gods is dependent on the existence of the Son and the Son as Lord of lords is dependent on the existence of the…[Read more]

@t8
If there is an always existent Father, then an always existent Son is implied. The two are interdependent.

You seem to think that the Father is and was God apart from the Son, I do not agree. I believe that the Father as God of gods is dependent on the existence of the Son and the Son as Lord of lords is dependent on the existence of the…[Read more]

@t8

This is why we say you cannot be ‘us’ even by your own admission.

You preach another gospel.

Glad you realize that and see a distinction.

I would rather be with the ‘us’ that has both, the ‘God of gods’ and the ‘Lord of lords’, the one and mighty God-Jehovah who IS both.

@t8
you said:

So if Jesus is God because he has power over us, then does Jesus have power over God? You clearly said no. Jesus is not the one true God by your own admission. Rather, he is in submission to God.

Where was it that you asked me if Jesus had power ‘over God’ and where was it that I said that Jesus didn’t have power over God…[Read more]

Nick,
you asked:

If scripture is divine communication can we improve on it?

We are not to add to the truth of scripture but it is fruitful to explain it. Jesus did many times.

ahh Nick…when explaining things to humans, would you use non-human terms. Wouldn’t that be a bit fruitless?

@t8
The logos is a sentient person and always has been and always will be. When begotten that person created the universe. You are right that the one who begat Him was not diminished after the begetting. They remain interdependently existent.

“IF” WE CAN GO FAR WITH THAT WORD ,BUT NOT IN THE TRUTH ,

Prove it terraricca. Were you there at the time? If not, then you really don’t know if it is true or not, do you?

You have many questions. Pick one for starters, ok.

@Anastas

The duck is quacking but you aren’t listening to it for yourself, you re just mimicking your teachers hoping they got the sound right and copying it.

Does that make you feel better when you belittle those who understand Christ differently than you?

Have you considered this:
Matt 7
2For you will be treated as you treat others.a The…[Read more]