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Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Hi Ed

Regarding the above passage – It boils down to two kingdoms. There are two kingdoms here on earth. One is from below, and the other one is from above. You should know that Christ came to show us the heavenly kingdom simply by teaching us to learn and obey the Word of God. Whatever is done to take us out of captivity, comes from above and is of our Father’s kingdom. If our intervention comes from Christ, and we receive a little help…ie mercy, deliverance….eye’s opened, then it’s that kingdom from above that has touched us, and not the kingdom from below. We have not inherited yet if God gives a little help, but he has only opened our eyes so that we can identify and follow the true Shepherd.

Jesus came to show us the way. He is the door. The path leading into the kingdom of God is very narrow. If we stick to that path and endure to the end we shall be chosen by Christ to take part in the resurrection of the saints. Only then can we enter and inherit all things that the Father has prepared for us. Cannot claim the prize before we finish the race, but walk towards it as faithful children willing to make it to the other side despite all the thorns and temptations and learn to overcome them. The race is not over yet, and when it is, if we are found faithful we will be born again of the spirit. Born again, not of the flesh, but of spirit.

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Hi Truthcomber

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Jesus was not referring to water baptism, but the resurrection.

Have to be “changed” before we can enter the kingdom of God. Changed into spirit. This is the real meaning of born again. Born flesh the first time, and born spirit the second time.

John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Are we like the wind?…..No. Angels are like the wind, spirit is like the wind because they are invisible. We will be like the angels (spirit) once our final change has come at the resurrection.

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Hi Edj

Sorry for seeming rude.

I have no doubt that Islam will infiltrate the West. That is already happening. What I don’t agree with is that the false prophet will be of Islam which is what you have always declared. The false prophet will be a Jew (but against the Jews and Christians). Islam are the “kings of the east” as spoken of in Revelation. They will stand up to the false prophet’s kingdom. God calls them the “Mede’s” in OT prophecy concerning the end times. God is sending them to attack “the strongholds of Babylon”. Spiritually, this world is called Babylon – City of confusion (Satan’s kingdom). They will come with fury because God has put it into their hearts and they will destroy Babylon’s (this world’s) hardware. They will not just cross over the Euphrates river into Israel, but will attack in every nation where the FP and his beast has conquered. Not only will they come from all over the world, but are already positioned in our nations. This is what will start the 3rd World War. It will be close to “the end” of the FP’s reign, and not what kicks it off.

Isaiah 13:17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

Isaiah 13:18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.

Jeremiah 51:1 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will raise up against Babylon, and against them that dwell in the midst of them that rise up against me, a destroying wind;

Jeremiah 51:2 And will send unto Babylon fanners, that shall fan her, and shall empty her land: for in the day of trouble they shall be against her round about.

Jeremiah 51:3 Against him that bendeth let the archer bend his bow, and against him that lifteth himself up in his brigandine: and spare ye not her young men; destroy ye utterly all her host.

Jeremiah 51:4 Thus the slain shall fall in the land of the Chaldeans (Babylon), and they that are thrust through in her streets.

Jeremiah 51:11 Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple.

Jeremiah 51:12 Set up the standard upon the walls of Babylon, make the watch strong, set up the watchmen, prepare the ambushes: for the LORD hath both devised and done that which he spake against the inhabitants of Babylon.

In 2 Esdras, they are called the “dragons of Arabia”. Here’s a snippet;

2 Esdras, Chapter 15
28 Behold an horrible vision, and the appearance thereof from the east:

29 Where the nations of the dragons of Arabia shall come out with many chariots, and the multitude of them shall be carried as the wind upon earth, that all they which hear them may fear and tremble.

30 Also the Carmanians raging in wrath shall go forth as the wild boars of the wood, and with great power shall they come, and join battle with them, and shall waste a portion of the land of the Assyrians.

(Assyria today is code for the military might of the world)

31 And then shall the dragons have the upper hand, remembering their nature; and if they shall turn themselves, conspiring together in great power to persecute them,

32 Then these shall be troubled bled, and keep silence through their power, and shall flee.

33 And from the land of the Assyrians shall the enemy besiege them, and consume some of them, and in their host shall be fear and dread, and strife among their kings.

34 Behold clouds from the east and from the north unto the south, and they are very horrible to look upon, full of wrath and storm.

35 They shall smite one upon another, and they shall smite down a great multitude of stars upon the earth, even their own star; and blood shall be from the sword unto the belly,

36 And dung of men unto the camel’s hough.

37 And there shall be great fearfulness and trembling upon earth: and they that see the wrath shall be afraid, and trembling shall come upon them.

38 And then shall there come great storms from the south, and from the north, and another part from the west.

39 And strong winds shall arise from the east, and shall open it; and the cloud which he raised up in wrath, and the star stirred to cause fear toward the east and west wind, shall be destroyed.

40 The great and mighty clouds shall be puffed up full of wrath, and the star, that they may make all the earth afraid, and them that dwell therein; and they shall pour out over every high and eminent place an horrible star,

41 Fire, and hail, and flying swords, and many waters, that all fields may be full, and all rivers, with the abundance of great waters.

42 And they shall break down the cities and walls, mountains and hills, trees of the wood, and grass of the meadows, and their corn.

43 And they shall go stedfastly unto Babylon, and make her afraid.

44 They shall come to her, and besiege her, the star and all wrath shall they pour out upon her: then shall the dust and smoke go up unto the heaven, and all they that be about her shall bewail her.

45 And they that remain under her shall do service unto them that have put her in fear.

This is the 6th plague and the 2nd woe which God sends to all who are found in Babylon,…WAR. Those who refused to turn to the Lord and stayed joined with the mindset of the world and land of oppression will receive this plague. The 7th plague is the coming. Islam is coming to destroy, yes I agree with that, but your timing is wrong and who Islam stands for is wrong. Islam is against the FP’s kingdom,…against the New World Order that is coming – that system. They want their own man, …their own system of oppression, and all to revere “their” prophet alone. Their star is Mohammad.

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Hi Mike. I have made so many enemies from this subject it’s not funny. Even my husband thinks the flat earth is absurd! I’m not that interested with debating or conforming anyone else because their minds are already made up, but to speak to another flat earther Christian is rare and always welcoming. For me, it all started with the fake moon landings and then I stumbled onto this topic. I must of watched video’s for two weeks non stop just looking at evidence and hearing debates. It was all making sense to me, and it was all coming out in the open for us to make up our own minds by weighing out this new information. That evidence blew me away. Then I started going through all the scriptures searching for clues and there was nothing indicating that the earth was spinning, or that there was a “universe”, or other galaxies created. One thing for sure is that there is a firmament fixed over the earth, and I never fully understood what the firmament was until this subject came up. Now it’s clear and God said he put the sun, moon and stars inside the firmament (not outside), hence the fake moon landings. And that is the evidence that stands out the most to me. The edge of the firmament is not the edge of the universe, but earth only, because there is no universe. The heavens are our skies, and beyond the clouds are filled with trillions of stars all inside the firmament. What we call planets are only stars, different from the other stars, but still stars and they are all lights – not solid. Nothing that man has created can get out of this firmament, for it’s fixed, solid. layers and layers of ice, which would look like crystal glass. God’s domain is above that firmament. Man’s domain is inside it.

1 Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

One thing about this subject is that Christians can get very angry if they don’t agree. I’ve had so many posts on this subject deleted on another other forum. Once they know you believe in the flat earth, they don’t take anything else you say seriously. This has been another let down for me with forums. What’s there to hide? Let everything be out in the open for a testimony whether we be right or wrong, but to keep things hidden, is to show that we are not allowed to think for ourselves. Anyway that’s my rant for now. I only came on here because someone messaged me from this forum, and I couldn’t even remember my password, but here I am talking again. Nice to speak to you after so long.

My name should be Journey50 now! Time has flown.

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Excellent book!

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Hi Mike.

Looks like you have done your homework well! I discovered all this a couple of years ago and it shook my world. It did not truly connect for me at first until I remembered the book of Enoch – on the parts I didn’t understand…. and then wolla! It was as clear as day. He was describing the flat earth! Now it makes sense. Most don’t believe that the book of Enoch is inspired, but I believe the account that God gave him with all my heart. Wakeup was against it at first trying to find everything from the scriptures to prove it wrong, and then after about 3 months he saw it too. This was an amazing revelation. To us it is old news now, and debates about it can go on forever. It gets tiring but their theory about the earth’s curvature has been proven to be wrong and no-one can deny that, and that’s just for starters. Nothing can get through that firmament. Hillary Clinton also said “One day we are going to crack through that glass ceiling”. She slipped. They know they have lied to us, and they are laughing at us. God is revealing this to some of us but not all.

Praise the Lord he has revealed this to you also.

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Hi Ed J

No. I am not interested in arguing about this.

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We are doing well Edj. Have learned a lot more since 2014.

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Hi Edj

He knows he can post but I know he is finished with the Christian Forums.

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Hi T8, been a while. Been studying the book of Enoch for some years now. Very informative. It proves that we have been indoctrinated with Pseudo science. Many things they have told us about earth and space is a lie. This is what they have been trying to hide. The earth has a thick firmament which protects everything inside. The sun, moon and stars are inside the firmament. Nothing gets in or out. The sun, moon and stars have motion and the earth is still.

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Cam

Just think on this for a while;
The 10 kings are at work today, they have not shown their faces, but they are here.
They have been planning for a long long time to bring in this new system, so they have everything set up and ready to go.
The False Prophet is here already also, but the 10 kings will present him when it’s time, because they have to do this first;

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

They will destroy her system first. Our system, now, the way we know it. They are the ones causing all the wars, controlling our food supply, controlling our medicine, our media, our banks, our nations, our weather, our education system, our way of thinking, out youth, our ability to think for ourselves and use reason and logic, and the breakdown of the truth …everything.

Because they own the Federal banks, they bankrupt the nations.
People will lose jobs,
and because they control the food and water supplies that have been making us sick,
they will cause a worldwide famine, and the cost of food will go up,
and the jobless and the hungry will start demanding the government do something about it.
Looters will arise stealing petrol, food, whatever they can get to survive,
People will be desperate, and even the rich upper-class will lose their businesses and jobs also.
This will affect everybody but the elites, and those protected within their secret society.
The whole world as we know it is going to be in total chaos.
Marshal law will have to be brought in to restore law and order.
People will be shot on the spot for trouble-making, and rebels will have the fear put into them.
Disease will break out because of the famine, earthquakes will be happening in various places causing more catastrophe.
Can you picture this?
Picture a world in absolute darkness, poverty, sickness, and complete helplessness.
Now picture a saviour coming to the rescue.
A man coming with peace, claiming he’s of God.
Now picture him with all his miracles, and smooth words, his idea’s to help mankind.
Picture him exposing the so called culprits for causing this mess in the world,
and picture the desperate people clinging to him for dear hope, hanging off his every word.
Picture his plan to replace cash and cards with an ID chip, to stop stealing, illegal immigrants, tax evaders, drug cartels,
gangs, break-ins, terrorists. Picture a false hope of peace.
If you can do this, you can picture the false prophet.
Now go to your bible, and learn about him. He is only in power for 3 1/2 years. He will take Israel also for himself.

You know there will be a mark of the beast, but your absolutely sure it’s not a physical mark,
ok, so that’s your view. I respect that.
So when this False Prophet tells us to accept this new system and you refuse,
then watch him put you in prison and take you out of society.
If you are still around and manage to live through it all and survive the system, in the system.
then you have been deceived.

So do what you think is right,
and I’ll do what I think is right.
And go to the scriptures if you really want to know about this man, for in them he is revealed.

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Hi Carmel.

It’s now Boxing Day, so happy Boxing Day, whatever this day is supposed to mean? I just asked my husband and he didn’t know either? (I must look it up!)

So thank you Carmel, but I was just trying to prove a point because since that day I was hurting for you, but you answered so well without any malice and I admired that.

People have killed themselves over negative comments on the internet, it’s a fact. How do we know if our words will not do the same here to someone one day? We know nothing about each other’s background or what any of us is going through. People break sometimes, and it can happen to the best of us. Cyber bullying must stop, and especially amongst the christians.

Look we havn’t agreed on everything in the past, but at least we’ve discussed by using reason. You also have said some good things that have nailed it in some areas, and I have to give you credit of those things you said which were true,..not just general observations, but some deep things you touched….. and what I strongly didn’t agree with, I told you why with reason, and didn’t try to force whatever I said unto you or make you feel like an outcast. I hope not anyway.

Regarding the capitals, I personally don’t care, what I care about is the message.
I use capitals myself sometimes but to make my points stand out, not because I’m shouting.
We can still shout in lowercase if we wanted to!

Take care Carmel.

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“Now as regardless as to whether or not you believe the micro-chip could be Mark of the Beast, there are several things we know for certain. One being that whether we like to admit it or not, microchips or spy chips are embedded in virtually everything. And that they can be used to collect data, track objects and people, control and manipulate movements of animals and release lifesaving drug or lethal poisons”.

 

 

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Satan only has a short time to deceive the whole world.

The Jews desperately wait a messiah, with earthly reign.
The Muslims desperately wait the Mahdi and Jesus Christ with earthly reign.
Half of Christendom awaits Jesus’ return with earthly reign.

So, with all of these people waiting…. and the knowledge of Christ that Satan now has… what better way to achieve the deception of the entire world, than to impersonate the return of the Messiah…

Cam
Agreed.

Quote from Wikipedia:

Orthodox layman Alexander Kalomiros explains the original Church’s position regarding the Second Coming in ‘River of Fire’ and ‘Against False Union’, stating that those who contend that Christ will reign on earth for a thousand years “do not wait for Christ, but for the Antichrist.”

Yes, those who do not know the scriptures will be deceived. But those who do know their scriptures know that the false messiah must come first and rule for 3 1/2 years, then the coming. He will be the one to issue and enforce the Mark of the Beast on every one and persecute the Christians and anyone else that refuse this mark. He will be the man to lead the 3rd WW. If we want to know about this war, we go the 6th trumpet/6th vial.(Rev 9:14-19, Rev 16:12)

If we go to the 1st trumpet, we can clearly see that the Mark of the Beast is already issued, so the rest of the trumpets lead up to the 3rd WW.

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Grasshopper

This is the prophecy section. What have you got to contribute concerning prophesies?
So far all you have done is cause distractions and strife.

Philippians 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:

Philippians 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

1 Timothy 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

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Spock

You are not a christian, so have not been feeding on the flesh of Christ but some other flesh.
The God we worship is the same God who gave us the holy scriptures as a guide to truth and righteousness, in finding the road to salvation through his Son Jesus Christ. Within his laws and commandments which we are under is how we divide the word of truth from the lie.

But you have been feeding on aliens from outerspace, and from a God who cannot give one shred of evidence that what he says is true. You are dealing with galaxies far away, whilst our God deals with us here on earth, and shows us that the enemy dwells here amongst us, on earth, and no where else. They are bound here on earth;

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earthand of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Our God is of Heaven, and his holy angels with him are sent from there, their habitation is heaven, a spiritual place, and not in the material realm of another galaxy. They do not dwell or come from other galaxies.

It’s time to stop watching “Star Trek” and quit playing dress-ups, for it’s all happening on earth, and only a little bit of time left to come into the ark, for the doors will be shut very soon. I suggest you try the Word of God that can be tested and proven true.

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@carmel

You claim to be a believer, but I see no Christlike characteristics in you so far. I dare say people like you who supposedly represent the Church are one of the main reasons why so many who are still lost refrain from seeking out God and Christ. You are putting out into the world a gross/damaging picture of Christian attitude/demeanor.

If and when you finally clean up your attitude, I might, at that point, actually discuss scripture with you.

Until then, have a nice day…

Grasshopper

Is this showing the fruits of the spirit? How did you correct Carmel? Where did you show him he was going wrong?
What truth have you learn’t from the scriptures?
Is this what your spirit teaches, to just throw stones without backup?
Jesus would of used scripture to correct, or given a parable, or some sort of explanation to confound.
I’m looking to see if you use the same technique as Christ has given his saints…the truth as a weapon?

So if you being so holy, and claiming to have a spiritual gift, address his points one by one, address his own words he took the time to explain to you to be fair, because Christ is fair, and teaches us to be fair also and not just cast off someone just because we don’t agree with them. If you think you are more holy, then guide him, so that he come to the truth and reason with him if you really care for the sheep?

Acts 25:18 Against whom when the accusers stood up, they brought none accusation of such things as I supposed:
Acts 25:27 For it seemeth to me unreasonable to send a prisoner, and not withal to signify the crimes laid against him.

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Grasshopper

Satan can copy all the gifts but he can not copy the truth.

Seeing as you claim you have this gift to discern spirits, I will be testing you, for the gifts are the fruits of the holy spirit, which is the spirit of truth.

If you do not have the spirit of truth in you, then that spirit you have in you which you claim is from God, will be an imposter, trying to make you feel cosy in your little nest, putting you to sleep.

It’s going to be interesting now, seeing if you can handle the scriptures without copy and pasting someone else’s material.

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let it be clear ,that if you do not understand the basic truth of what scriptures really saying and so believe not what scriptures says ,and so are your views guided by false understanding ; now why would those false views end up into the true vision in prophecy ?

any of the scriptures prophets all were true people versed in the truth of God almighty ,so that it was a powerful prophet in truth ,a false prophet does not have that truth of God ,for it is in this way we can tell who his who for our own sake

Pierre

Let it be clear that we are way past the milk, and what on earth are you talking about?
Do you ever think before you speak?

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Cam
I am addressing Grasshopper. Those were her nasty words in quote.
The new friend turns out to be an old enemy.

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