Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi Nick,
You said, “Looking at Acts 13 the quotation from Ps 2 is not to give a timing of the rebirth but to establish that Jesus is the Son of God.
God does not have to satisfy man’s demands for logic to rule.”
Romans 1:4 And declared TO BE the Son of God with power, ACCORDING TO the spirit of holiness, BY THE resurrection from the dead:
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[Read more] Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Nick the SOUL of David WENT to HELL, HADES, SHEOL. This is why you have a problem. Do you want to tell me that he is in torment and not like Lazarus in Abraham’s bosom? Or do you want to rethink and actual listen to the words of David and how he explains death?
Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (hades), neither wilt thou…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Let’s be clear Nick I do not vilify scriptures I vilify your interpretation and thus you vilify mine.
I vilify ALL teaching? That is pretty bold of you to say and rather odd since there are some teachings we agree on.
I do not believe that the parable Jesus gave was a true story, as I said, I believe that through the fictional story Jesus…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi Nick,
Let’s review Jonah and some other scriptures,
Isaiah 38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
Psalms 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Jonah was alive in the belly of the fish Nick, that fish…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Okay Nick so you say souls are not immortal. It would be helpful if you give more of your understanding in each of your posts. I believe you said in another post that souls die at the second death, so not at the first.
Why not be more clear in each post? Say souls are not immortal they are destroyed at the second death.
This is your problem,…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Good Morning Nick,
First let me say I find it interesting how recently you spoke against using the lexicon, you spoke against looking up the original word and the different meanings that it gives when it comes to the words for spirit and soul, now you are telling me I should look at different translations. You speak contradiction, so don’t use it…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Thank you Anthony for the post about zer-o’-ah!
I feel LU needs to dig deeper into the scriptures and find what they actually say and do not say, as I feel she is skimming the top and only pulling out a verse here and there and trying to make it fit into her own ideas.
This is what I tried to point out earlier and I hope these scriptures…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
I realize Nick for you to come out of your false belief about immortal souls, also creates other false beliefs that you would need to come out of!! That may be quite the challenge for you.
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi Nick,
So you would prefer to frame your belief on a parable and disregard many scriptures?
A parable is a non true story given to teach a specific lesson, this specific lesson and the truth within that lesson had nothing to do with declaring what happens to you when you die, that is NOT the PURPOSE of the parable to teach about what…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi LU,
Here is the passage I asked for you to explain how it fits your understanding,
Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Our Messiah strictly from the OT in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi Ed J,
You provided,
“Proverbs 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven (see John 20:17),
or descended (see Micah 5:2)? (Spirit of Christ)
who hath gathered the wind in his fists (God)?
who hath bound the waters in a garment (God) ?
who hath established all the ends of the earth (God)?
what is his (God’s) name (JEHOVAH),
and what is his (…[Read more]Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
If I misunderstood Nick then why don’t you bother to give the correct understanding?
33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus AGAIN; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi Nick,
Neither Gene nor I deny sheol, we actually define it according to the passages.
What Gene is saying and what I would likewise say to you is that you define sheol according to PAGAN/ PLATO definitions not by the word of God.
The word of God tells us men return to the dust, they perish, are destroyed, consumed, they have NO thoughts or…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi LU,
CAN you read the below LU and respond appropriately?? Show me how what is presented below is not truth using the SAME scriptures that I have presented in this post.
This was the WORD that came from the LORD,
2 Samuel 7:4 And it came to pass that night, that the word of the LORD came unto Nathan, saying, 5 Go and tell my servant David,…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi Anthony,
I have gathered the scriptures for you to review in regards to when Jesus became the Son of God.
1 Chronicles 17: 11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
Nick,
I think you are lacking in a basic understanding of God. He wants to rid sin, He doesn’t want sin to exist, He cannot allow sin to continue, that is the whole reason why DEATH came to mankind because sin entered.
God is longsuffering towards us not willing that any should PERISH! There is NO immortal soul. Death exists to put a FINAL end…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
Hi Anthony,
This is what I know from the scriptures.
God promised David and Solomon that He would take their son and make him into His Son.
Jesus tells us that man must be born again, born of water and of the Spirit to see the kingdom of God.
We are also told that God would begat David’s son on a certain day.
We are also told that those who…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
Hi Anthony,
How is God with us? How is it that we are to know God? How is it that we received the promise He gave to us before the world was?
Is God with us through the promised Messiah that did come of which God said He would give so that we may know Him through him?
1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead,…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
Nick,
You said,
“You seem to believe that when you say something it should be taken on board as irrefutable truth.
But you do not even believe in Satan and the kingdom of darkness!”
Lol, Nick you hypocrite!!
I have stated several times before that I do in fact believe in the adversary, so FOR YOU TO SAY THAT I DON’T simply because I don’t…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
Nick, not sure what you are trying to prove.
As I showed you the soul and the spirit are used interchangeably. Regardless if you are using the soul/nepesh to represent the breath of life that returns to God as it is used in Genesis, or the spirit as the breath of life that returns to God as used in the NT, the point is still the same. There is no…[Read more]
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