@GeneBalthrop
you said:

i understand that a human being begins life in the womb of his mother 9 months before he or she is born. What does that have to do with JESUS PREEXITING as another sentenial being, before his human existence?

Another point when GOD SAID “THIS DAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU” HE LIMITED it to certain day, a destinct time per…

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@GeneBalthrop
you said:

SORRY FOR THE MIX UP I WAS QUOTING THE VOICE OF GOD SAYING THIS IS MY BELOVED SON , HEAR HIM. At the mount of transfiguration, in MARK 9:7.

No worries, I get mixed up too from time to time. I am glad that we finally agree what was said by God the Father at the baptism of His Son.

you also said:

But that is not the…

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@GeneBalthrop
you said:

SORRY FOR THE MIX UP I WAS QUOTING THE VOICE OF GOD SAYING THIS IS MY BELOVED SON , HEAR HIM. At the mount of transfiguration, in MARK 9:7.

No worries, I get mixed up too from time to time. I am glad that we finally agree what was said by God the Father at the baptism of His Son.

you also said:

But that is not the…

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@GeneBalthrop
For starters…John 5:19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

John 8:16
16Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone who judge, but I and…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop
Thank you for your patience.
you said:

Are YOU EVEN reading what i wrote? , i have acknowledged that GOD said, this is my beloved son hear you him. How much clearer can i get?

Yes, I am reading what you wrote and have concluded that you still do not know what the Father said to Jesus when He was baptized. He did not say “This is…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop
Yes, perspective does spring forth our understanding of things, that is called our ‘bias.’ Do you believe that there are many wrong perspectives here on HN and that you have the right perspective?

you said:

See how your perspective comes in play, you are a CHATHOLIC, I BELIEVE, AND YOU ARE VIEWING things through their concepts, you…

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@genebalthrop

T8…….THEY were GOD POSSESIONS he was there heavenly FATHER, the same as we are, we belong to him, just as it says he sent his word to HIS OWN, it is said in a possessive sense, not that they were themselves a God of anykind. IMO

Then quit debating me over this. I am not saying that we go around calling men, angels, earthquakes, or…[Read more]

@genebalthrop

T8…….THEY were GOD POSSESIONS he was there heavenly FATHER, the same as we are, we belong to him, just as it says he sent his word to HIS OWN, it is said in a possessive sense, not that they were themselves a God of anykind. IMO

Then quit debating me over this. I am not saying that we go around calling men, angels, earthquakes, or…[Read more]

Let’s take a look @genebalthrop at your misunderstanding. You said:

T8……if you say it have other uses by applying the term GOD TO THOSE THINGS, as having other meanings then you are changing the words meaning. That is what IDOLATRY is all about, right making or changing the image ofthe “only” true God. Right?

i have made the case for only on…

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Let’s take a look @genebalthrop at your misunderstanding. You said:

T8……if you say it have other uses by applying the term GOD TO THOSE THINGS, as having other meanings then you are changing the words meaning. That is what IDOLATRY is all about, right making or changing the image ofthe “only” true God. Right?

i have made the case for only on…

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Let’s take a look @genebalthrop at your misunderstanding. You said:

T8……if you say it have other uses by applying the term GOD TO THOSE THINGS, as having other meanings then you are changing the words meaning. That is what IDOLATRY is all about, right making or changing the image ofthe “only” true God. Right?

i have made the case for only on…

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Let’s take a look @genebalthrop at misunderstanding.

You said:

T8……if you say it have other uses by applying the term GOD TO THOSE THINGS, as having other meanings then you are changing the words meaning. That is what IDOLATRY is all about, right making or changing the image ofthe “only” true God. Right?

i have made the case for only one GOD…

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@GeneBalthrop

So now that you admit that a city can be described as ‘elohim’, what about men or angels?

Think for one minute and you might get it. An elohim city is not saying that the city is God right. Thus when we read in scripture where Jesus said, “ye are theos” from the verse that says, “ye are elohim, ye are all sons of the Most High…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop

T8……Problem is the word God or elohim, does not just mean excedeling great, as the city of Nineveh was,

So you concede this point. That is progress. Anything else you need to be corrected with while we are at it?

@GeneBalthrop

T8…….IN your understanding of the word God, can we call New York city a very great elohim or a GOD THEN? HOW ABOUT a FREIGHT TRAIN

I didn’t write the scriptures Gene, so don’t shoot the messenger. I am simply reporting that which is written. If you can’t deal with what is written then you need to change your attitude into one who…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop

Judging from your lack of putting up any passage to defend your position, is it fair to say that you cannot find a passage that contains the words “You are my Son, today I have begotten you,” in the context of baptism? Yes or no

I would really like to move on, Gene. Please answer the question and then ask only one question in return.

@GeneBalthrop

once again:

Please answer my question, I am not saying that it is not in scriptures, but it is not in the context of baptism. Look and see. Now if you disagree, show me the passage where it says what you say in the context of Jesus’ baptism.

Either you will be able to show me the passage or not. Then we can acknowledge that and o…

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@genebalthrop

T8……if you say it have other uses by applying the term GOD TO THOSE THINGS, as having other meanings then you are changing the words meaning. That is what IDOLATRY is all about, right making or changing the image ofthe “only” true God. Right?

Wrong. It is not me using the word to mean something else. Even one scripture proves your as…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop

Please answer my question, I am not saying that it is not in scriptures, but it is not in the context of baptism. Look and see. Now if you disagree, show me the passage where it says what you say in the context of Jesus’ baptism.

Either you will be able to show me the passage or not. Then we can acknowledge that and one of us has…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop

Don’t misunderstand my neglecting to address your every word as ‘dodging’ what you said. I will address any point you want to make, one at a time here https://www.heavennet.net/forums/topic/lightenup-and-genebalthrop-only/

We can take turns answering each others concerns without interruption over there. I have sent you this link a…[Read more]