@GeneBalthrop

Peter identifies Jesus as YHVH of hosts that Isaiah wrote about. The Father identifies Jesus as the YHVH that laid the foundation of the earth and that spread out the heavens with His hands.

You’re problem is not with me but with your lack of understanding these things.

@GeneBalthrop

Gene, the Sabbath is not a human. Jesus identified himself as the Lord of the Sabbath. I understand that there are human lords and they are different than the divine eternal Lord. Jesus IS the divine eternal Lord and is over any created type of Lord and over all creation. The Sabbath is His creation.

The Jews know that YHVH is…[Read more]

Gene, my question once again to you from July 23rd, please answer:

@GeneBalthrop

you said:

LU….JESUS IS A lord, (adoni) human ruler, not LORD (adonia) the almighty GOD, WHO IS THE “ONLY’ “TRUE” GOD,…

Gene, who in the OT is the Lord of the Sabbath?

Who in the OT is the Lord of all?

Can you answer those two questions?

@GeneBalthrop

you said:

LU….JESUS IS A lord, (adoni) human ruler, not LORD (adonia) the almighty GOD, WHO IS THE “ONLY’ “TRUE” GOD,…

Gene, who in the OT is the Lord of the Sabbath?

Who in the OT is the Lord of all?

Can you answer those two questions?

@GeneBalthrop

T8…..Did you miss the part that say “and the word “was GOD”?

Did you really think I missed that?

The Word was theos. We have all debated this one too many times for me to bring it up here. But whatever the view, none of them back your stance that Jesus is but a man who was created 2000 or so years ago. Because God made all things…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop

Gene, you post belongs in a different topic. I have answered you there:

https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-the-logos/page/9/#post-803067

Let test your words @GeneBalthrop.

Kerwin……I can honor anyone that does not mean I worship them. I believe T8 is wrong. I realize worship contains honor, in some aspects, but it certainly is not the exact same word. I don’t believe you believe it is either. IMO

While you already understand that the word worship contains honour, let’s look at legit…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop
The Bible says that YHVH alone created the creation. YHVH is both Father and Son-two persons. YHVH is God of gods AND Lord of lords. Jesus is the Lord of lords, Gene.

@GeneBalthrop
I understand that a day can be a thousand years long in God’s mind. However, the act of being begotten was an event.
The event when the Son was begotten happened BEFORE creation in order for creation to be an event to come through Jesus who is also called the firstborn of all creation and the beginning of the creation. The beginning…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop
Hi Gene, sorry I have been away for awhile. So you think that when the Father said to Jesus, “Today I have begotten you” He meant that several years from then He will have begotten Him? If that were so, the Word of God called YHVH by the Jews in their Targums would not have existed in the beginning. We are plainly told that the Word…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop
Hi Gene, sorry I have been away for awhile. So you think that when the Father said to Jesus, “Today I have begotten you” He meant that several years from then He will have begotten Him? If that were so, the Word of God called YHVH by the Jews in their Targums would not have existed in the beginning. We are plainly told that the Word…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop
Hi Gene, sorry I have been away for awhile. So you think that when the Father said to Jesus, “Today I have begotten you” He meant that several years from then He will have begotten Him? If that were so, the Word of God called YHVH by the Jews in their Targums would not have existed in the beginning. We are plainly told that the Word…[Read more]

@Genebalthrop

IF EVIL COMES IT COMES, DON’T RESIST IT,

Is the Devil evil?

1 John 5:18
We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.

James 4:7
Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

So you say not to resist evil, b…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop

Now you are confusing begetting with the term pregnancy. The term pregnancy includes the act of conception and the act of begetting. Both conception and begetting happen in a moment. If begetting were a long process that began at conception and ended at birth, the Father would not say ‘Today, I have begotten you.’

Also, Jesus is a…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop

you said:

answer to your question is when the sperm of a man impregnates the egg of a women at that time he is begotten , the same with JESUS WHEN GOD THE FATHER INPREGNATED MARY WITH HIS DNA, JESUS WAS BEGOTTEN

You confuse birth with conception. The term ‘begotten’ refers to the birth.

As far as the rest of what you said, where…

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@GeneBalthrop
The ‘today’ that the Son was begotten was likely on day one of the creation week. Jesus is the spiritual Light of the world and this spiritual Light brought forth was the beginning of the creation of God. Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God (Rev. 3:14), not as the first created thing but as the firstborn of all creation(Col…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop
you said:

Your using the word begotten from one thing to represent a begotten from a completely different thing. Your trying to say the son preexisted as a sentinal being in one state of existence and then later was begotten, to another state of existence, that is an assumption on your part, you have never proved yet he did preexist…

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@GeneBalthrop
you said:

I AM STILL RIGHT ABOUT THE REST OF WHAT I SAID, I EXPRESSED THAT WAY BECAUSE I WAS,THINK YOU WERE STILL TRYING TO MAKE BEGOTTEN MEAN A ON GOING PROCESS, INSTEAD OF A PAST EXPRESSION OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED BEFORE.

I have NEVER suggested that ‘begotten’ means an on-going process…never. I really wonder about your…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop
you said:

I AM STILL RIGHT ABOUT THE REST OF WHAT I SAID, I EXPRESSED THAT WAY BECAUSE I WAS,THINK YOU WERE STILL TRYING TO MAKE BEGOTTEN MEAN A ON GOING PROCESS, INSTEAD OF A PAST EXPRESSION OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED BEFORE.

I have NEVER suggested that ‘begotten’ means an on-going process…never. I really wonder about your…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop
you said:

No you have it wrong i believe, jesus was not begotten from the dead

Rev 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Gene, it is you that has it wrong and that…[Read more]