Mike………….do i need to produce all the many scripture that say GOD (ONLY) the The ROCK, of OUR Salvation . many can have a name of a rock , Just like there are thousand with the name of Jesus existing today, So how does the mean that they are the real Jesus then, you logic is completely gone man. Jesus said to Peter, “WHO DO YOU SAY I AM ,…[Read more]

MIke…………Please show us where Jesus ever changed from a Physical “body” to a so called Spirit “Body” them , where is that actually recorded in Scripture or is that just another of your suppositions again. You can”t show not one Being existing without a Body except GOD and that is a fact Jack. If so Produce it. When Elijah was taken up in…[Read more]

WJ………..It is not me calling Jesus or Paul a liar, Show us one scripture where Jesus ever said He was the Rock of anything , much less the ANOINTING following the Childern of Israel in the Wilderness. Common sens should tell you that if Jesus was himself the anointing why does scripture say he was Anointed by GOD to preach the Gospel. And why…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 09 2010,16:58)Does the thought gave a body? No. The thought is embodied in the body…the Spirit (Thought) is embodied in the body to help actuate it, animate it. Kill the body, destroy the body…the spirit is still there but unable to act…it has no body to actuate. Remove the Spirit from the Spirit from the body and the…[Read more]

Ja…………Spirits do not have Bodies as you say but an Angels do have bodies with Spirit (IN) them and that Spirit (IN) them is Created BY GOD and They are sent out to minister to the Saints. They can be seen and have been seen they can eat walk and do everything we can. GOD can at any time open our eyes to see them and what we see will have…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 10 2010,06:18)No, Jesus was more unique than that, He was raised in a spiritual body of flesh.Are there any here who believe Jesus is now only Spirit ? No Jesus is still raised flesh, a new creation. And will return in like manner.  “Handle me, and see;” Jesus told them, “for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, “I am He who…[Read more]

EDJ……….. I was not talking about a (POSITION) as Being a KING does not make Jesus Different from Mankind no more then a plumber is a different then a Electrician as far as being a human being., all are Identical when speaking of MEN and so is Jesus. That was my Point , Trinitarians and preexistences move Jesus away from (MANKIND) that was…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 09 2010,16:37)The discord we have here is obviously caused by Mike seeing things through the flesh…he sees 'physicsl Angels' that need bodies to exist in….the whole point of a Spirit is exactly that it doesn't exist in a body…If it has no body, then it can go anywhere, exist anywhere, forever..JA……….Angels do…[Read more]

Adam………They were tempting GOD who gave the Anointing SPIRIT that was ON all his chosen leaders, that was the ROCK they rebelled against in the WILDERNESS. It was GOD himself not Jesus, GODS Spirit anointing was on many of His chosen leaders many scriptures show that and the angels also. Jesus had not even come into existence when the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 09 2010,02:06)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2010,23:02)Worshipping Jesus,Wouldn't the spiritual rock be the Spirit of Christ that was in Mosses as Mosses is a prophet?KerwinNo!Paul does not use the term “Spirit of Christ” in the text. He says that “Spiritual Rock was Christ”.Jesus was know by this title as he was the…[Read more]

WJ……………So Now Jesus to you was Not Anointed with the Spirit of GOD, as John the Baptist saw descending down on him, and the Christ does not mean The Anointed ONE, Well i guess it does not mean the Messiah to you either right?, And believe it or not the Word Messiah means also the Anointed . You probably do not believe Jesus is a (SON)…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2010,13:17)GeneJesus Christ is not a new creation,  if so you believe show me scriptures ???PierreTerricca………..Who do you think the Last MAN ADAM IS? if not Jesus (the Christ) ,and He is the new creation of GOD in MAN. He is the First man created by GOD into a Perfect Man . No wonder you preexistences are so…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2010,13:15)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 08 2010,17:57)Terricca……….Wrong he is a “NEW CREATION” ALL READY while He is still in the FLESH, > “KNOW YOU NOT THAT (NOW) YOU ARE THE SONS OF GOD”. ALL who have GODS anointing Spirit in them are (NOW) SONS of GOD. According to John. “It does not appear what we Shall be but…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2010,21:22)Adam,I fail to understand why you think John 14:26 infer the Spirit of God is subordinate to Jesus since it is God that sends it.   It is sent in Jesus’ name, which can mean authority, but since God sends it he still is the ultimate authority.  It is my understanding the Holy Spirit is appointed by God to be Jes…[Read more]

Kerwin………..You have it right Jesus is from the Roots of Jesse and David, that is his origin from man kind. He is a SON of MAN the same as we are also and have our roots in our ancestors also just as Jesus had his roots are through the Jews of the house of Jesse and King David. Just as he said he was. Mike and others preexistences try…[Read more]

Terricca……….Wrong he is a “NEW CREATION” ALL READY while He is still in the FLESH, > “KNOW YOU NOT THAT (NOW) YOU ARE THE SONS OF GOD”. ALL who have GODS anointing Spirit in them are (NOW) SONS of GOD. According to John. “It does not appear what we Shall be but we know that as he (IS) so Shall (WE) Be”. (exactly the same), There is not…[Read more]

WJ……………Jesus was a Man Anointed with the Spirit of GOD, and that anointing Spirit was (the Christos) that was the ROCK on all of GOD chosen leaders it was (the) Christos.. By the way i do know what a Separatist is, it those who separate Jesus from our (exact) identity like you trinitarians and Preexistences do, and do you now deny it…[Read more]

Kerwin…………..You have it right the Word of GOD is GOD , GOD and His word are one and the same , Just as we and our Word are one and the Same thing. If there were a scripture that said ” In the beginning the word was with Gene and the Word Was Gene, no one would have a problem understanding that, But because they (trinitarians and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 07 2010,13:05)47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven.Paul is clearly saying that Adam was the first man who was of the dust of the earth.  He says that Jesus is…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2010,21:29)Gene,Could the Last Adam be the Holy Spirit since the scripture does not actually state man and the Holy Spirit is live given. In fact Jesus’ words gives life because they teach you how to receive and live by the Spirit.A phantasm has a body and is also called a spirit.You may well be correct about the valley o…[Read more]