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    T8….Did you read what Jodi wrote, Jesus never preexisted his berth on this earth, even though he was in the plan and purpose of God. It was the plan of God from the creation of mankind to make mankind his ultimate creation, and at the right time he brought forth his perfected plan through the “SON OF MAN” WHO he perfected by his spirit, and…[Read more]

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    T8….HE WAS WITH God , yes but you fail to know how he was with God, it wasen’t because he already existed then, it was in GODL’S PLAN THAT THE PERFECT MAN WOULD COME INTO HIS EXISTENCE AT THE RIGHT TIME. Therein lies your and others problem, you aford JESUS WHAT HE “NOW” HAS AS IF HE ALREADY HAD IT.

    IN so doing you not only move Jesus’ idenity…[Read more]

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    Jodi, You have made dance with delight in the spirit, you are indeed a guiding light here, God is using you to preach the “TRUE” gospel, WHICH DELIGHTS ALL WHO HAVE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IN THEM.

    May we all here take these words and take them to heart, and delight in them sis, Especially brother T8.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

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    Mike and Dig, are you people still playing “here we go around the maw berry bush”. 😊

    Why not just believe the tons of proof that clearly show the whole world, that the earth is indeed round.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

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    Hi WJ, are you back? Good to hear from you again, have you changed your views yet? ☺ , or are you still on shaky ground?

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

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    Jodi….That is correct, But LU and Anthony simply do not get it.

    Jesus said , ” you are God’s”, yes we belong to God, all earth and everything in it belongs to GOD. The “spirit” of adoption is one thing, but we are another, we are the Elect of God from before the foundations of the earth, “for whom he foreknew, he “predestined” to be made into…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 8 years, 1 month ago

    T8….That glory was a predestined glory that was to come to him, he never had that glory until he was resurected from the grave. We also have honor, and glory already aforded us, but we as Jesus was are looking forward for it, we do not have it now, right?

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

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    T8….The spirit of antichrist, is in those who do not believe Jesus had to be anointed and recieve the holy spirit, to become the messiah of God. When you say he was born the anointed, then you are also saying he did not have to be anointed brother, and that is the spirit of antichrist.

    I am so glad you are rethinking this brother.

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    Anthony. …What spirit is at work in you that is trying so hard to make Jesus out to be something different them we are?, if he were different , could he call us brothers? while he is our master teacher, how does that make him different then the rest of humanity? IN fact i don’t recall you even saying who or what he is to you, and if you believe…[Read more]

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    Anthony. ..The spirit “of” his son ,(IS) the Spirit, his son was Given at his baptizm at the Jordan river. WE ALSO RECIEVED THAT SAME SPIRIT that Jesus was given that made him the begotten son of God, which makes us also begotten of God to, just as the “MAN” JESUS WAS BEGOTTEN ALSO. BY THAT SAME SPIRIT.

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    Anthony, i don’t think were adopted, nor was Jesus either, we spimple were given the holy spirit and thereby became Sons of the Living God. Elect yes, God chose to give us his spirit, the same with Jesus also, you are seeing it as all humanity is childern of different parents, but all people are the childern of God because all humanity came from…[Read more]

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    Anthony. …so was JESUS to a real human being, or was he just desguised as one? Decieving all humanity?

    Did he actually come from the loins of King David, as scripture says he did or not?

    Was your Jesus a God or not, if not then what was he?

    Remember Anthony, who was the great deception going to be about, Jesus said, “many would come in my…[Read more]

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    Anthony if you are not a Trinitarian i apologize, i thought you were.

    You ask me about the spirit, Jesus told us GOD IS SPIRIT, now when Jesus was baptized AT THE JORDAN RIVER, He recieved that Spirit of the Father, and became a spritual son of God the Father, God from that time actually dwelt “IN” him, like he can us also (know you not that…[Read more]

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    T8….Again you mis quoted scripture, “in the beginning was the word, the word was with God and “WAS” GOD.

    Just as your word is with you and “IS” YOU. You and your word are one and the same thing. Jesus said ”
    the words i am telling you (which was not his words) ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE.”

    T8….IF YOU BELIEVE Jesus is the word then you “must” also…[Read more]

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    Nick….You don’t know how much i have suffered in life, so why make that statement about me, my point was that parable had nothing to do with the rich man being any more of a sinner then the poor man, if i am wrong the show it, from the parable. Which you think is what is going on in your netherworld you believe in, where everyone is still…[Read more]

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    LU….IT IS AMAZING how you trinitarians , can build things in your minds, OUT OF THIN AIR, to justify your dogmas, but plainely deny, THE MAN Jesus’ own words, “for thou art the “Only” (true) God”. To me the word “Only” means (No) other, SO HOW COULD JESUS BE ANOTHER GOD?, You also deny scriptures that clearly say Jesus came from the loins of…[Read more]

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    Anthony, why do we keep telling you are Antichrists, because you trinitarians , believe Jesus was A God, and therefore he did not need to be recieve t h e holy spirit, at a baptizm, as we do. You reason why would A God need to be anointed by a God because he already is a God. That is the same reasonings of the GNOSTIC’S, at the time of the…[Read more]

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    Nick…I believe you do truly deny what death is, as Jodi said, you want us to believe we go to another word where punishment takes place, like the rich man parable, even thoug that parable does not say a word about sin, but suffering only, you seem to be attached to some strange continuation of life after death, as if there is no real death,…[Read more]

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    LU….You preach a preexisting God came in the flesh as i recall, as all tritarians do, so you do not teach Jesus as just a man, born to us and became a perfected human being, by the anointing spirit of the “ONLY” TRUE GOD, NO you believe a God who would not need to be “ANOINTED” by ANOTHER God, because he was already a GOD. THAT is what I…[Read more]

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    Anthony. ..the comforter was not JESUS, it was “in” him, he recieved it at the Jordan baptizm. That was the “spirit of truth” given him by GOD The Father. The reason Jesus said it was with them is because he was with them and had the same spirit from the Father that they were to have also, when he went to the Father he sent “him” unto them. Jesus…[Read more]

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