Anthony,  what I said has nothing to do with Jesus not having a biological connection  with any human, he sure did have.

Why not just start to believe what Jesus himself said,  instead of trying to skip around things? HEAR THE WORDS OF JESUS, “I AM THE ROOT AND OFFSPRING OF king David”.  NOW, do you think from that,  he had no biological conn…[Read more]

TC….WHER DID I say we can’t worship Jesus, we do honor JESUS,   “to the Glory of God”. That is  far cry from worshiping Jesus “as” a God.  That means we understand that THE FATHER was with the “man” Jesus .  GOD was certanily “present’ “in” Jesus, but none of that ever made Jesus HIMSELF,  GOD THAT WAS “IN”HIM.  There in lies your problem you ar…[Read more]

Anthony…..Tell me where Jodi or I ever said Jesus is “just a man”  I have never said that,  nor has Jodi.  You seem to not have any fear to lie,  about what people say, but then again if you believe and worship Jesus as your God , you have bought into the biggest LIE ever told, so what else could be expected of you.

Jodi and I both bow our knee…[Read more]

T8…..You couldn’t be more wrong even if you tried,   no where does it say Jesus was the word and then became flesh, AGAIN YOU ARE misrepresenting scriptures, forcing them to meet your teaching of a preexisting Jesus. You seem unable to understand what is meant by the words ,”and the word became flesh” . 

For one there is no word that “is” fle…[Read more]

T8…..if you ask do fish live in water yes/no ? No problem, but if you take a scripture you don’t rightly understand to try to entrap a person to yo u r way of thinking, that’s a whole different set of values, one works because everyone agrees withthe wording,no hidden meanings involved. But if one uses words that “clearly” can be taken…[Read more]

Edj…..why can’t you understand what Jodi said, she has answer to your question?

And by the way I didn’t say,  I only don’t have a freewill, I said no one has a “freewill” that word is an OXYMORON.  Because all wills are driven by what is influencing them the most. So there could exist “no” will, if the will was free of all influences, there s…[Read more]

Jodi……Good job, you have explained it clearly to all that have eyes to see.

Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

TC…..Your getting the end of the thousand year reign of Jesus and the Saints, mixed up with the beginning of his reign. You speaking of when God the Father comes at the end of the thousand year reign. None of those things happen before Jesus returns , because he comes as a thief in the night, a sudden event, even as it was in the days of Noah.…[Read more]

Anthony, but you have given Yahweh’s name to someone else, “Jesus” ,  your hang up is with the words “LORD”  and  “lord”, they are “not”  the same in the Hebrew,  LORD is YAHWEH, pronounced in Hebrew as  “ADONAI” meaning the “Almighty GOD”,  while lord is in lower case form and pronounced in Hebrew as “adoni  meaning a “human ruler, or one in at…[Read more]

T8……You are right  about the first part, but wrong on the  last part,  Jesus is the “second” Adam,  so how could he preexist the “first” Adam.   Just for starters.   JESUS did preexist in this way , he was the planned  prototype of Man, God the Father had in mind before the Foundations of the earth were ever created , in fact it was for that [Read more]

TC…..Don’t need  a host  of “Platoian”   contrived explanations,  that force a false conclusion , just show a scripture that says,   “That christ the son of God is the expressed image of God,  “and” therefore , he “is God”.   Surely such a important thing as Jesus being a God , you should easely be able to produce a host of scriptures that say…[Read more]

Anthony…..here’s another one for you to twist,

1 Cor 15:28….And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also “himself” be subject unto him that put all things under him, that GOD may “be all in all”.  

If you could just understand those last four words, you might begin to get thing right,  God the Father lives in and…[Read more]

TC…..So you do believe Jesus himself is the Messiah, and therefore GOD.  “Right”,   so that makes you and  Anthony believe the same on that right?   And you both believe then, that Jesus preexisted his birth on this earth am I correct so far?, and you both believe Jesus created everything as a prexisting God right? You both believe God and his w…[Read more]

Jodi……excellent post sis.

Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

T8……And I explained to you how you use words in a context wrongly applied,  to a scripture to entrap those who know the correct sense that word should be applied to that scripture, even posting those words  true meanings according to Strongs dictionary.

You need to try to take some of your own advise for a change, go make a real study of th…[Read more]

T8 and Anthony , we do except the truth , just not your versions of it.  Have you both ever thought you may not be accepting the truth, time will tell. 

Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

TC……BEING UNITED with someone or thing,  does not make you that something you are “united” with. Common sense 101.

Look God is a Spirit, and as such He can inter anyone he choses to, by his spirit, haven’t you read , brethern know you not that your body “is’ the temple God. Do you actually think that it was Jesus who said “destory this temp…[Read more]

Anthony,   do you realize you don’t agree with TC at all, in what you say.  He denies the preexistence of Jesus completely.  The glory Jesus had with the Father was a predestined GLORY, as Jodi and I have shown you over and over. As far as him being  made in the image of God,  So are we, so what your point ?

The whole truth is you people are d…[Read more]

TC….. “IF”, YOU BELIEVE THAT Jesus “himself” “IS” the word of God,  then  he would have to have prexisted, right? 

You cannot seperate a word from “its origins”, can you? ,  I fully unberstand Jesus spoke “God the Fathers words” to us. I have no problem with that, but that does not make Jesus “himself”  God’s word.  Now if you say Jesus <…[Read more]

Carmel…..Jesus just before that testing in the wilderness was “anointed with the holy spirit” and became a Son of God, he was “born again” at the Jordan river, by God the Father,  just like Jesus said to us, “you must be born again”, this happens when we are baptized and recieve the Holy Spirit  OR HAVEN’T YOU EVER READ , brethern know you no…[Read more]