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[DesireTruth]

@Keith,

Its called justice– A perfect mortal man sinned and lost a good standing with God for all his descendants.

Adam was punished for his sin, but did G-d reject him for it? NO!!

Justice = A perfect mortal man lived a sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin he did not owe= the ransom sacrifice.

Are you saying the Jesus lived a “sinless” life?!?!? Did he honor his father and mother by disappearing? How about destroying a heard of hog by running them into the sea to drown (a cities food source), or how about over turning tables in the Temple court and driving the people and animals out. G-d has something to say about destroying other people’s property. Sinless…LAUGHABLE!

Let’s go back to where we left off, where did G-d say the innocent are responsible for the guilt of another? I’ll give you a hint, YOU are responsible for your wickedness and NO ONE can be a substitute for your wrong doings! In fact Moses tried it and G-d said NOPE!! (Ex 32:31-24 READ IT!!)

This opened the door to all mankind to go in through the narrow gate and have an opportunity to live forever in Gods kingdom. God applies justice to all his dealings-perfect justice.

When G-d said to repent, turn from your wickedness, and HE’LL remember it no more wasn’t good enough? Sounds simple to me; why would I need anyone other than G-d?

Check your religion, are they telling you truth? Verify everything!!!

They rejected Jesus because they had haughty hearts and he told them they were wrong on many counts. A mere carpenters son telling the elite spiritual leaders they were wrong.

Or maybe (start nodding your head) the Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah and failed on every account and they knew it. Like in Ps 110 where the Jesus supposedly confused the religious leaders with “the Lord said to my lord”; you don’t think a Jewish religious leader didn’t speak Hebrew and know what this passage meant?!? This is a Psalm to/for David NOT by David. The modern translations intentionally changed the meaning.

Jesus healed on the sabbath- They thought it was not allowed. The apostles picked grains of wheat on the sabbath, they thought it was not allowed. They twisted things.

Do we ever get in the Tanakh where it defines what work is or are we getting the writers interpretive take on the situation?

[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

Will any of this be forced on anyone? Will people be arrested and thrown in jail if they disagree will this bill?

Besides our national motto IS “In G-d We Trust.” Are you saying “We the People” shouldn’t be placing our trust in G-d? Shouldn’t we have this on display to remind everyone where our trust should be? Oh wait, it’s printed on our paper currency and no one even notices it anyways. So what exactly are you worried about? That’s right, your “prophetess” told you what to think.

Isn’t this Sunday religious “thing” suppose to happen worldwide and not limited to a single nation? I might get a little more concerned if the Middle East, China, or France started imposing Sunday worship laws and not a nation who’s foundations are based in the christian faith.

[DesireTruth]

@Proclaimer,

The Old Testament does not explicitly say the Messiah comes twice.

Absolutely, so why do you believe the Jesus will come twice?

But there appears to be two phases in the prophecies. A suffering and rejection, then later glory and kingship.

“Suffering and rejection” of whom; to be later awarded “glory and kingship”? The suffering I read is the punishment Israel and Jacob receive due to disobedience to G-d’s commands and statutes and restoration when they return to G-d.

Judaism generally does not read these as two separate comings of the same Messiah, whereas logically speaking, it would normally take at least two phases.

“Logically speaking”, why would/should it take “two phases”; didn’t all this take place in the last days of the Jesus? Didn’t he “suffer” and was “rejected”; crucified, and upon his resurrection, raised in “glory” and “crowned king”? So when does he do all that was prophesied the Messiah is to do?

All those passages you claim point to the Jesus, are you reading them in the context they were written or believing what you were told?

Verify everything!

[DesireTruth]

@Keith,

They listened to Law( but added to many burdens along with those laws) their hearts were haughty, not humble as should have been.

What examples do you have of them adding to the law; Moses warned of adding or taking away from the law (Deut 4:2). There hearts were “haughty” and not “humble”, where do we read this?

[DesireTruth]

@Kieth,

Jesus said the Israelite spiritual leaders father was the devil. It has not changed as long as they reject the Messiah.

Why did the religious leaders reject the Jesus?

[DesireTruth]

@Kieth,

Where we left of I asked if you could provide a passage that says the innocent can take the responsibility of the guilty. I also asked to provide a passage where G-d says he was sending someone to take on the sins mankind and be a moderator on their behalf (G-d only spoke in the Tanakh, so it has to be found there and not in the NT). Have you had time to ponder any of this?

[DesireTruth]

@Lightenup,

Everything you posted is from a christian perspective; what about the Jewish? Again, it is their scripture; wouldn’t they be the authority on what it says?

[DesireTruth]

@Lightenup,

WOW! Where do I begin with this salad bar of christianity?

You’re demanding that the Messiah fulfill every *end‑time* prophecy in His first appearance, but the Tanakh never says that. Not once. You invented that rule.

And the Tanakh DOESN’T say the Messiah was to come twice; however, your response will be, “but it doesn’t say he won’t either”; kind of a silly argument. I’m not demanding anything, just pointing out what the Tanakh says. I did give you scripture references of what the true Messiah will do when he comes, but no comments on those passages. I also asked why the NT doesn’t speak of any of the things the Messiah is to fulfill according to the Tanakh, and you gave zero response. The true Messiah will fulfill those “end-time prophecies” at the end because that’s when he’s coming and you want me to name him!??!? (continue reading)

Daniel 9:26 literally says the Messiah is “cut off” BEFORE the Temple is destroyed. That alone destroys your argument.

The Jewish term for messiah is mashiach and means “anointed one”; how many people in the Tanakh were “anointed”? There were many “messiahs”! Just because a capital letter was added to the term messiah doesn’t mean it’s a reference to the Jesus (are no capital letters in Hebrew). The Jesus dies about 40 years prior; this “messiah” most likely referred to the priestly line that ended (cut off) with the destruction of the Temple. The counting thing is another issue, who counts 7 and 62; just say 69. Reading the king Jimmy of 1611 one will find a semicolon, which separates two ideas. These are two separate time periods and two different “messiahs.”

Your arguments don’t come from the Tanakh.”

Where do you think my position comes from, if not from the Tanakh? Let’s wrap up all your christian justifications with two questions; how does Judaism understand all these passages and why is their understanding rejected? It’s their book, it was given to them and not the world?

Your last post is an interesting one.

Who do you believe the Messiah is?

How can I name someone who hasn’t come yet!??!!?? I suppose we could call him “Bob”; but that wouldn’t be very Jewish. In Judaism they call him Ben David. The better question would be has he been revealed and at this point, I’d say no (everyone will know who he is when does arrive though); his birth isn’t the focal point in the Tanakh, what he will do and what will happen when he arrives is.

You say you aren’t interested in the following:

Not “what the Messiah will do.” This is how you will know who the Messiah is or isn’t.

Not “why Jesus isn’t the Messiah.” The Jesus is a false messiah, he didn’t fulfill what was said, which why the religious leaders rejected him as the messiah.

Not “what Christianity gets wrong.” Christianity has gotten a lot wrong and this doesn’t concern you?? I forgot, the christian bible is infallible…REALLY!!! Compare the book of Hebrews to the Tanakh.

You aren’t asking the right questions; you’re parroting what you have been told is truth. Verify everything!

So it’s time to hear your positive claim, not just your objections.

Interesting, I have gone over many passages christianity claims to be about the Jesus and have given my thoughts on them; and would you believe, they have been rejected because they don’t align with the christian thought…stunned! Proverbs 8 is an excellent example. You are so stuck in the christian mind hive that you can’t see anything beyond it. Solomon wrote simple words that are easy to understand; his audience was simple and still is. What is the Jewish thought on their passage?

[DesireTruth]

@Lightenup,

1. Isaiah 53

Who is speaking where in this soliloquy? One must begin reading at the end of chapter 52, this is where this last “servant song” begins (why was it cut where it was…hmmm). Who is the servant (begin reading in chapter 41)? It’s not the Jesus!! Verse 10 is a tricky one to apply to the Jesus; unless of course one believes what they are told that it refers to “spiritual children”; except the word zera is used and means “descendants, seed, offspring” (that biological thing).

2. Daniel 9:26

To really understand verse 26, you have to start in verse one and why is Daniel distraught; why is he praying and lamenting before G-d that they’re still in captivity? Enter the vision, explain these 70 weeks and why this “clock” stopped at 69 and we have been waiting for 2000 year for this last week to be fulfilled. Unfortunately you’ll be waiting another 2000 years; the 70th week ended with the destruction of the Temple because of verse 24, Israel didn’t do what G-d said.

3. Zechariah 12:10

Did you read this chapter or did you parachute onto a verse you were told was about the Jesus because of the word “pierced”; and because the Jesus was pierced, this single verse has to be the Jesus? This chapter seems to be about the destruction of those who come against Jerusalem and the protection of its inhabitants, even the feeblest among them will fight like David. Then we come to the verse you claim is about the Jesus, but we just read about a battle over Jerusalem. Don’t you think there were some Israelite’s who died and of those who did, were mourned as the rest of the verse says. Context is everything!

4. Psalm 22

You realize this is a Psalm of David and is about David, right??

5. Psalm 69

Read the verses before and after to put verse 9 into context and explain how you get the Jesus! Or is this another parachute verse christianity loves?

Conclusion:

The Tanakh teaches a righteous, suffering figure who dies for the sins of others, is vindicated by God, and brings salvation to Israel and the nations. This is exactly what the Messiah was expected to do.

So G-d didn’t mean it when HE said you’re responsible for your owns sins? You have a false understanding of Isa 53. In the previous post I gave you what the Messiah is suppose to do when he comes and the Jesus didn’t do anything except be Jewish.

So when does the Jesus bring salvation to Israel and the nations in the NT? Again, I only read judgment for not believing in him. Then there’s that 1000 year reign and at the end Satan will be allowed to deceive again, apparently the Jesus didn’t do a good job leading and did the NT bible disappear so no one knows what’s coming?

Why do you think I continually say to verify what you have been told is truth?

[DesireTruth]

@Lightenup,

Proverbs 8 is poetry; quit making it what it isn’t. It’s wisdom personified, given human like qualities (calls, speaks, loves, hates, walks, gives, rejoices, and is “brought forth”), and that’s it! Of course wisdom was there “with” G-d before creation and “saw” everything come to be; wisdom IS G-d and not something separate from HIM. Did you read the chapter or did Grok help you? When G-d created man, HE created them in HIS image and with that you also received wisdom. You can use wisdom to make wise decisions or not, as the chapter says; do you “bring forth” or “birth” wisdom daily in your life?

Remove your Jesus goggles and see the truth…it’s freeing!

[DesireTruth]

@Lightenup,

Jesus is NOT biologically from Solomon’s dynasty, but He IS legally from Solomon’s dynasty through Joseph. Biological descent from David comes through Mary; legal kingship comes through Joseph. The Messiah needs both—and Jesus fulfills both.

You are absolutely 100% correct that the Jesus is NOT biologically from Solomon’s dynasty and therefore CANNOT be the Messiah; everything after that you CANNOT prove with the Tanakh and is therefore mental gymnastics by christianity to “fix” the lies of the NT. Even if we could accept this “scenario” of non-biological descent, which we don’t, it’s NOT what they would have understood (a god impregnating a human woman); they understood the birds and the bees and where children came from. It’s funny how people find it ridiculous the Greek and Roman gods impregnating mortal women; but don’t you dare question the birth of the Jesus. How do you not see this?!?!?

When has the Jesus done the following?

He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel 
“And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” (Isaiah 11:12)

Are all Jews living in Israel? Have all Jews EVER lived in Israel since the time of the Jesus? What does christianity teach, that failure to believe in the Jesus condemns you to hell.

He must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem 
“…and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and my tabernacle shall be with them..” (Ezekiel 37:26 – 27)

At last check, there is NO Temple in Jerusalem. And worse, it was shortly after the Jesus died that the Temple was destroyed! Just the opposite of this prophecy!

He will rule at a time of world-wide peace 
“…they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.” (Micah 4:3)

Are we living in a state of complete world peace? Has there ever been peace since the time of Jesus?

 He will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments 

“My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes.” (Ezekiel 37:24)

The Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Christianity, in fact, often discourages observance of the commandments in Torah, in complete opposition to this prophecy (remember there are 613 commands, not only ten).

He will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d 
“And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, says the L-rd” (Isaiah 66:23)

It says “all people”; not only those who have “accepted the Jesus.” Please, oh please, don’t tell me he’ll do all this when he returns, because I’ve never read this in the NT; what I read is judgment and hell.

If there is anything between you and G-d, wouldn’t that be called idolatry?

[DesireTruth]

@Lightenup,

Point 1

Sefaria

Biblehub

The Sefaria link gives the definition of: “to get, acquire, create, buy, possess”; does it say create is one of its meanings??

Clicking the Biblehub link scroll to section 1, sub a. What does that say; “of God as originating, creating” and look, does it say Prov 8:22?!?!!? Are you done beating the dead horse?!?!?

Point 2, 3, 4 Not interested in arguing words, I don’t have the time to spend; what does nitpicking their meanings bring to the conversation? Again, I don’t speak Hebrew and can only rely on how they translated the words and that’s it.

Point 5

Never once have I assumed “Proverbs 8 = “wisdom as an abstract concept”; I’ve said wisdom was a characteristic and that it was given human like qualities. Definitely NOT a reference to the Jesus.

Point 6

Where did you get the idea I said these passages where “Greek ideas”?

Point 7

I did say “only begotten son”; and not just “son.”

Point 8

Everyone of those passages I have already discussed at length and christianity has falsely taken them out of context, twisted, and injected the Jesus into the passages. Last I check this was the Hebrew bible and NOT christianity’s; what does a Jew say these passages mean?

FOLLOW‑UP QUESTION:

Can YOU show me anywhere in the Tanakh where the Messiah was going to die for the sins of mankind?

The crux of Proverbs 8 is christianity want/needs it to be about the Jesus and it simply isn’t; which is why you are delving so deep into the meanings of certain words.

Still waiting for what it means when G-d said of Solomon “I will make his dynasty permanent” or “I will grant to his dynasty permanent rule over Israel”? Whose dynasty is G-d speaking of?

Still waiting for your “creation” point.

[DesireTruth]

@Lightenup,

Translations are also becoming an issue; which one are we using or is this the “battle of the translations and mine is more correct than yours”? I use a Jewish to English translation, wanting to stay as close to the original writings as possible; what do you use, is it a translation of a translation?

One of the scriptures I reference reads (8:22-25):

22 Hashem made me as the beginning of His way, before His deeds of yore. 23 I have reigned for all time: from the beginning, from before [there was] the earth. 24 When there were no depths, I was formed; when there were no pools rich with water, 25 before the mountains were settled. Before the hills, I was formed;

In this passage wisdom was “made” or “formed”; the term “born” isn’t there; see the conflict yet? To be “born” or “brought forth” is a form of creation, because it didn’t exist prior and now it does (big problem for christianity because now they have to perform great mental gymnastics to explain the Jesus has always been…yet, G-d never says he has an “‘only’ begotten son” in the Tanakh, this is NT); so how can this chapter be a reference to the Jesus?

Still waiting for your “creation” point. If your point is to say everything in the Tanakh was to point to the Jesus, claiming he is the Messiah, you’re going to have to explain what the Jesus fulfilled the Messiah was to do when he came…see how everything circles back to this one point of the Jesus being the true Messiah and all else being moot until this single point is established?

[DesireTruth]

@Lightenup,

Can you admit this:

Proverbs 8 is in the Tanakh and it shows that someone was born of God before creation and was with God.

The major problem with what you wrote is “someone was born of God before creation”; have no idea where you are getting that from any translation. Almost every translation I have looked at (38 on BibleHub) have either “possessed”, “acquired”, or a variation of “created”; not one of them says “born.” Wisdom was with G-d before creation is agreeable, because it was created by G-d before creation.

From the Jewish Study Bible:

22 The LORD created me at the beginning of His course as the first of His works of old. 23 In the distant past I was fashioned, at the beginning, at the origin of earth.

To answer your question, NO I can’t admit what you wrote is entirely correct; wisdom was created and NOT born. Unless you can provide evidence to support what you’re saying. So where are you going with your creation line of thought? Just ask the question.

Personally, knowing whether or not the Jesus is the true Messiah is the MOST important conversation to have; he is the foundation for christianity. Knowing whether he fulfilled what G-d said the Messiah was to do is beyond important and everything else is moot. If the Jesus isn’t the true Messiah, then everything taught and believed by christiantity is false.

[DesireTruth]

@Lightenup,

Did you actually read the Proverb? In verse 3 it says “she cries out:” and what is she proclaiming? EVERYTHING AFTER THAT!! Grammar is your friend. Don’t forget to look out for those pesky quotation marks as she is continuing to “cry out.”

Guess again!

The Son was born/begotten before the creation of the depths and mountains. A birth is not a beginning of existence, a birth requires that which is born to have existed so that he could be born. The Son existed eternally within the Father, then during eternity, before creation, was begotten from the Father. The begetting was the Father’s first work before the work of creation.

Prove it! The Tanakh speaks nothing of G-d having a preexisting son or a son who would be the propitiation for the sins of mankind.

Still waiting for what it means when G-d said of Solomon “I will make his dynasty permanent” or “I will grant to his dynasty permanent rule over Israel”? Whose dynasty is G-d speaking of?

Still waiting for how the Jesus is the Messiah when he didn’t fulfill what was spoken that he would do when he comes.

[DesireTruth]

@Lightenup,

Now begin reading from verse one; who is speaking throughout the entire chapter? Are you paying attention to the quotation marks? Apparently you didn’t read what I wrote on this chapter a few posts back.

Also, why are you starting toward the end of the chapter? I’ll ask again, do you begin reading a novel in the middle? If not, why do you in the bible? Why does context NOT matter?

When was the Jesus “born” before there was water or mountains? I thought he always existed.

Did the Jesus fulfill what was spoken of the Messiah in the Tanakh (link)? If the Jesus misses just one thing, can he still be considered the Messiah?

[DesireTruth]

@Lightenup,

Once again, what you are sighting is “polluted”; it is not based in the Tanakh. I do not base anything on the interpretive minds of man; to site Philo as an authoritative source falls flat; he was a GREEK PHILOSOPHER who happened to be Jewish…big whoop! To site this Jew or that Jew because they believed this or that, is it true Judaism they are trying to convey? I don’t care what others believe or have taught; I care what scripture says. If what you believe is contradictory to what G-d said, it’s false. You’re justifying what you believe to be truth; when will you, or anyone, verify what they are told?

In the Prov 8 passage you’re basing everything you believe on a single word – craftsman. By using the word “craftsman” one can now find the connection to the Jesus. When the correct word is used, it points to wisdom only being present during creation. How do you not see this? Why do you reject what is in front of you?

Prove to yourself the Jesus is the true Messiah; did the Jesus fulfill what was spoken of the Messiah in the Tanakh? The simple answer is no, but you have to find it for yourself and once you do…freedom.

[DesireTruth]

@lightenup,

We’re going in circles.

Philo was a Jewish Greek philosopher (Hellenized Jew) and if that is your proof for wisdom being divine and the creator of the world, you need to find another source as his perspective is from Greek philosophy and NOT Judaism.

You then site a book (Sirach) that is not in any biblical translation as proof?!?! Seriously!!

We have been over “memra” already and I don’t recall you having countered it with any reasonable argument. In the Targums it is used as a substitute for YHWH.

You then bring up the “Two Powers in Heaven” and again you have NOT supported this nonsense with scripture that G-d exists in two forms, one invisible as a spirit, and the other visible in human form.

You aren’t doing a good job of convincing me to come back to the idolatry of christianity.

Concerning your other post and specifically when you said:

The passage in Proverbs is commonly accepted as referring to Jesus.

Just because something is “commonly accepted” doesn’t make it truth. All you have to do is read the passage without the Jesus goggles on and you will see you have been duped into believing a lie. This passage has NOTHING to do with the Jesus no matter how much you believe it does. The Jesus did zero creating and fashion of the earth; only G-d did that and HE needed no help.

Nice try, but guess again!

[DesireTruth]

@Lighten up,

Do you understand how grammar works? Quotation marks signifies speech and that speech is attached to the one who is speaking; can you explain why suddenly in the middle of the chapter there is a paragraph that shifts away from the original speaker to point to another in meaning and context?

Why did you ignore everything else written to focus on the gender of words. While I do applaud you for knowing that (most languages do), the main point of the entire page was focused on the fact of christianity parachuting on a small piece of the whole and ignoring the context of what is written so they can find the Jesus. Especially verse 30, the main focal point to why you believe what you believe – wisdom being the “craftsman.” Wisdom being the logos of John 1:1 and the logos being the Jesus…christianity does like their merry-go-rounds.

Additionally, have you looked at the Jewish thought on anything written in the Tanakh that you believe points to the Jesus or what they say their scripture means; or does christianities interpretation take precedence? Do you know Hebrew?

Be back Monday…

[DesireTruth]

@Lightenup,

That’s an interesting interpretation of Prov 8:22-31; except there is more to this chapter than nine verses. Does believing something make it truth or do you believe what you believe because it fits your religious beliefs?

To understand these nine verses, one MUST start at the beginning of the chapter. Do you start in the middle of a novel or do you start at the beginning? If you don’t begin reading in the middle, explain why you are doing it here in Proverbs 8; you’ve missed what was said prior and in doing so, have missed the context of this chapter.

Starting in verse one:

1 Does not wisdom call, and understanding lift up her voice? 2 On top of the heights beside the way, where the paths meet, she takes her stand; 3 beside the gates, at the opening to the city, at the entrance of the doors, she cries out: (NASB)

Wisdom is a woman; not a man or sexless deity. The Jesus was a man – huge big hole.

Next, one will notice at the beginning of verse 4 a quotation mark signifying she is saying something and the words preceding this punctuation gives the reader the explicit indication she is going to “cry out” with something. She is talking to all mankind, whether smart or simple, to listen to what she has to say because it’s truth, righteous, and her instruction is better than the most valuable item. That took us thru verse 11. (A sort of a call to attention; listen to what I have to say.)

In verse 12 there is another quotation mark, she is continuing to speak. She lives with prudence and finds knowl­edge and discretion; however, she hates pride, arrogance; evil ways, and a perverted mouth. When rulers govern justly, they do so because of wisdom. To gain wisdom, one must love it; one must seek after her and in doing so, will find her. Wisdom promises material rewards, but she also says she is supe­rior to material things and she endows wealth to those who love her. That took us to verse 21. (Speaking in the present to mankind and what she offers him.)

Did you notice the quotation mark at the beginning of 22, this would mean wisdom is still speaking. Verse 22 is an interesting passage, “The LORD created me at the beginning of His course as the first of His works of old” (some translations say “possess” as in to acquire or gain). Verse 23: “In the distant past I was fashioned, at the beginning, at the origin of earth” (wisdom was fashioned before the earth was created). This isn’t a preexistence that has always been around, this isn’t a “unified spirit”; this is a characteristic G-d created before the world. Wisdom was there when G-d placed the heavens and established the earth and everything in it. Nothing about a “spirit being” that existed from eternity.

Moving onto verse 30 is what I find interesting and is where the christian gets this wisdom is logos is the Jesus theology; virtually all christian interpretive translations have wisdom as “the craftsman” beside G-d as if wisdom is the one doing the creating. King Jimmy says wisdom is “as one brought up with Him” and the NIV says wisdom “was constantly at his side”; looking at the Hebrew it calls wisdom a protege, nursling, or confidant. The two translations I dislike with a passion align with the Hebrew.

Using a Hebrew translator for verse 30 “And I will be a trust in him” a “confidant” NOT a craftsman; more corruption by the christian translators trying to push a narrative? Appearing to insert the Jesus again where it was never meant to be. This section is more of wisdom reminiscing of the past and what she saw at creation than pointing to a deity like figure (aka the Jesus).

In this final section, please note the quotation mark again – she’s still speaking, wisdom again says to listen; for those who do, they will find happiness and will become wise themselves. Those who find wisdom, find life and life comes from G-d. She also gives a caution to those who reject/hate her, they love death.

This is poetry not a call to the Jesus. Wisdom is a gift freely given by G-d to those who seek it and when it’s found, one begins to make decision and choices that are good and in some cases, profitable. It’s not the elevation in wealth that makes the man; it’s the wisdom from G-d that does. Listen to Solomon and not man.

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