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[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

What is the meaning behind Isa 56:1-8? You always post a passage without explanation, as if the simple reading of it is explanatory. Why is G-d talking about the Sabbath and connecting back to the foreigner and the eunuch?

You have found an interesting passage, but the meaning goes way beyond what you seem to be suggesting it says (once again no explanation, so all I can do is guess); it would seem you believe the foreigner is also suppose to observe the Sabbath. A simple reading of the passage would suggest that because it says, “Neither let the foreigner, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying, “Yahweh will surely separate me from his people” and this continues from vs2 where keeping the Sabbath is mentioned. The passage is stating the foreigner who observes the Sabbath will not be treated as separate from G-d’s people and that’s where you stop, but you MUST keep reading.

It is conditional for a none Jew, who is an outsider, to be included in G-d’s house and it’s not simply observing the Sabbath. “As for the foreigners who attach themselves to the LORD, to minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants, all who keep the sabbath and do not profane it, and who hold fast to My covenant. I will bring them to My sacred mount.” A none Jew must first attach themselves to G-d, serve HIM, love HIS name (above all other names, no gods before HIM – cough, cough, “the Jesus”), to be HIS servant, keep the Sabbath and not profane it, and be faithful to G-d’s covenant. To be included in G-d house, G-d says the none Jew must follow these six things Isaiah wrote. Can one skip any of these items and be allowed into G-d’s house?

Have you attached/joined yourself to G-d?

Do you serve G-d alone?

Do you love the name of HIM who created all things?

Are you HIS servant?

Do you know how to keep the Sabbath so as NOT to profane it?

Do you faithfully keep G-d’s covenant?

Since Isaiah never explains how this is accomplished by the none Jew; how does one find out what this means and how a none Jew can be included in G-d’s house? I suppose if one wants to know how to follow what’s written one MUST be who Zechariah is speaking of when he writes “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’” That is to seek out a Jew who’s suppose to know. It doesn’t seem like we are there where the Jew is willing to teach, if they even know how at this point, or the none Jew is willing to seek out and listen to the Jew.

There is so much your religion doesn’t tell you, either because they don’t know or they don’t want you to know; this is why I keep saying to verify everything that is taught.

[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

The seventh-day Sabbath was instituted at Creation for all humanity, not for a single nation.

Did you not read my last sentence of my last post? I explicitly said to follow G-d’s example of resting and your body will thank you for it. Did comprehension fail you at that moment or did you not read all that I wrote? I’ve asked you in the past to tell me what specific day of the week G-d finished creation and you remained silent. What day did G-d finish that correlates to our calender today? Obviously no one knows; at creation HE established the seven day week and after working for six of those days, take a single day of the week and rest…HIS example.

You’ll also note in Genesis 2:3 G-d made this day holy, sanctified it, set it apart, distinguished it from the others; HE made it a day of rest, because that was the example HE set. However, nowhere in the passage does it state to stop all work and spend the day in worship of G-d. G-d later established “the Torah” for the nation of Israel as a guide to how they where to worship HIM AND how to treat those around them; READ THE LAWS GIVEN TO ISRAEL I gave you a link, did you take the time and read all those “burdensome laws”? It was within the Torah G-d established a specific day of rest for the nation and how they were to observe it.

Stop pretending your Jewish and the Saturday Sabbath applies to you as it is written in the Torah, it was given to Israel and not world; Paul confirmed that. So to continually post about the Saturday Sabbath observance because that’s what G-d told the nation of Israel to do and apply it to yourself is wrong! Unless you can provide a passage that states otherwise (won’t be holding my breath). Then to call all other “christian” faith sinful or disconnected from G-d because they don’t do as you do is also wrong and the fact you don’t see that means one thing, your brainwashed! Nowhere does the bible state the gentile is to observe the Jewish laws and that’s what your faith is demanding all others do as you hyper-focus on the 4th Command given to Israel.

Do you really not see this???

[DesireTruth]

The Sabbath day is once again the topic of discussion and the claim by some of not observing it sinful. YAWN!!!! Please note that this particular religious organization primarily quotes from the Jewish bible to support their doctrine, but the Tanakh was given to Israel and NOT the world!!

I find it interesting the above Sabbath observer quotes the Jesus who says he’s the “lord of the Sabbath”, but he speaking to the Jewish people and not the world. The Jesus explicitly said “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” So the Jesus didn’t come for all mankind. Which also confirms he isn’t the true Messiah as he didn’t fulfill Isaiah 66:23 “And new moon after new moon, And sabbath after sabbath, All flesh shall come to worship Me.”

Since all christians follow Paul, and what did he say about the Sabbath? “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come.”

Is the none Jew suppose to observe the Jewish Sabbath or not? According to Paul a big fat NO!!! So when a religious organization says you are less than, are sinful, or will receive a lesser place in heaven for not observing the JEWISH Sabbath, they can be ignored because they are pushing a false religious doctrine (at least according to everyone’s favorite “apostle” Paul).

Follow G-d’s example and take a day off each week and rest, your body will thank you. But stop pretending you’re Jewish and the Saturday Sabbath applies to you.

[DesireTruth]

A another thought concerning Revelation being written before the Temple destruction, did the Jesus, as he said, come “soon”? Did those who put him to death see his return? The answer is an emphatic NO!! Since the Jesus didn’t do as he said, it would make him a false “prophet” according to Moses in Deut 18:20-22 saying a false prophet is one who’s prophecies don’t come true. In Jer 23:16 G-d says they speak of their own minds and not HIS and G-d spoke thru HIS prophets, giving credit to the source – HE said to me, the Lord says, this is the Lord’s message, says the Lord, etc – where is this in the NT?

The truth is there, but does anyone want it?

[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

(IBA)

Are you really this obtuse?!?!? The “my people” isn’t a reference to Israel and Isaiah isn’t the “speaker” in this part; it’s a reference to the nations.

When are you going to identify who is speaking where?? Once you do that, your muddy water will suddenly become clear.

[DesireTruth]

@Keith,

Why do I say Revelation was written before the destruction of the Temple, the words written place it before its destruction.

Rev 1:7 (Look! He is returning with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all the tribes on the earth will mourn because of him. This will certainly come to pass! Amen.)

Even those who pierced him (the Jesus) will see his return. Who pierced the Jesus 40 years prior and will be alive to see the Jesus return? All those involved in his death.

Rev 2:9 I know the distress you are suffering and your poverty (but you are rich). I also know the slander against you by those who call themselves Jews and really are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:9 Listen! I am going to make those people from the synagogue of Satan – who say they are Jews yet are not, but are lying – Look, I will make them come and bow down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

Who did the Jesus say was the father of the religious leaders (John 8:44)? Who persecuted the early church (read Acts)? That power came from the religious leaders while the Temple stood.

Rev 10:11 Then they told me: “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages, and kings.”

If John was an old man at the end of the first century when Revelation is claimed to be written, how does he go out to prophecy to “many peoples, nations, languages, and kings”? A younger John can receive this commission to go out into the world.

Rev 11:1 Then a measuring rod like a staff was given to me, and I was told, “Get up and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and the ones who worship there.”

What temple was John measuring and it is speaking in the present of those worshiping there. Can’t worship in a temple that has been destroyed.

Rev 17:9 (This requires a mind that has wisdom.) The seven heads are seven mountains the woman sits on. They are also seven kings: 10 five have fallen; one is, and the other has not yet come, but whenever he does come, he must remain for only a brief time.

Who are the seven kings spoken of? Since John was writing this during Roman captivity, it would make sense the kings are from the Roman Empire. The first five have fallen Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius. The “one who is” would be Nero who reigned from 54-68 is the sixth one who reigned. The one yet to come who lasts “a brief time” is Galba, who held the throne barely seven months before he was cut down. If we use the year 95 for the written date, Domitian was emperor in this period and was the twelfth and doesn’t fit what John wrote.

Rev 1:1,3 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must happen very soon. He made it clear by sending his angel to his servant John. Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy aloud, and blessed are those who hear and obey the things written in it, because the time is near!

At the beginning of the book John is told of events that “must happen very soon” because “the time is near.” This is a sound of urgency, not kick this can down the road for 2000 years. This is a time frame spoken to a man who has an understanding of time as given to him by G-d.

Rev 22:6,7,12,20

6. Then the angel said to me, “These words are reliable and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must happen soon.” 7. (Look! I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy expressed in this book.)

12. Look! I am coming soon

20. The one who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon!”

Four times the word “soon” is used in chapter 22! First to say the events described will take place soon and the next three to signify the Jesus’ return. Note the sound of urgency again and the usage of exclamation points!! These opening and closing statements are encapsulating the events spoken of in this book.

Why do I include these passages to say Revelation was written before the Temple’s destruction, because that is what the Jesus said in Matthew 24 when he told the disciples the Temple was coming down and it was their generation that would see it.

Prove me wrong!

[DesireTruth]

@Proclaimer,

It means something, and it is far more likely to relate to the fulfilment of prophecy than to be a random verse with no real significance.

In your next post concerning Ps 22; what is the prophetic correlation to the Jesus of David lamenting over being surrounded by his enemies and speaking of what they will do to him if he is caught? This isn’t a “random verse”, this is David speaking from the heart and knowing G-d would deliver him from his enemies. Do we read from the same bible??

All scripture is inspired by God.

I guess that would depend on what side you are speaking of. The first half, absolutely, G-d spoke thru his prophets all the time; the second half, highly questionable. How many lies can there be in the NT before it isn’t the “inspired word of G-d”? The book of Matthew is loaded, the book of Hebrews should be ripped out for all the lies and twistings that are in it, and where does one begin with Paul and his deception?

The underlying question that still must be answered is whether or not the Jesus is the true Messiah spoken of in the Tanakh and what did he fulfill, if anything, that is spoken of the true Messiah.

Question and verify everything!

[DesireTruth]

@Proclaimer,

You as do others seem to think that God should have spelled everything out so clearly, that even the enemies of God could have understood it and therefore, not fulfill it.

You keep returning to this idea; now explain Amos 3:7, “Certainly the sovereign LORD does nothing without first revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.” Apparently, G-d does reveal his plan first. You keep speaking of this “enemy” that could somehow thwart the plans of G-d…REALLY!!! Who?? This rolls back to after the millennial reign of the Jesus when Satan is released to deceive many. What happened to the NT during this period as it explains what is going to happen, since Satan is bound in the abyss he can no longer be deceiving anyone so the world must be sinless, and isn’t the great king the Jesus suppose to be ruling during this time and he didn’t warn of the deception and how to protect against this deception at the end of this 1000 years?!? Something isn’t adding up!

Along the same line of G-d revealing HIS plan, HE DID reveal the kind of individual HIS Messiah will be and what he’ll do when he does come…been over that too! The only thing the Jesus fulfilled according to the Tanakh was he was Jewish. When did G-d say he was sending a miracle worker, a man who would have the authority to forgive sin, a man who would die for the forgiveness of sin (human sacrifice), be raised from the dead, ascend to heaven to sit at G-d’s side. All of this would have been prophesied by the prophets and there is NONE of this in the Tanakh.

In fact, it’s the opposite; the Jesus never speaks of gathering the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel; never about rebuilding the Temple that was standing while he was alive; will rule at a time of world wide peace; will rule when the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments (all 613); rule when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d, not just those who “believe” in the Jesus; this Messiah will rule with true justice that G-d instills in him. He will be a man, not some divine being as the NT teaches.

[DesireTruth]

@Proclaimer,

Where do I begin?!?!? You aren’t connecting the dots. IF you were willing to engage in an actual conversation, it would be wonderful; then we could have a back and forth, asking and answering questions, and explaining our thoughts. What I’ve been finding out, for the christian at least, it’s one sided; it’s what is believed by them, or nothing.

Concerning the Revelation comment, I’ve explained that connection starting in Matthew 24 where the Jesus tells the disciples it would be their generation who would see the destruction of the Temple (even quotes Daniel) and after that they would see his return. In I Peter he speaks to the scattered (remember Israel was dispersed) saying “in these last times”; he is speaking to those as if it’s the latter days and the Jesus is returning. Even the liar Paul speaks in the present to those in Thessalonica about taking comfort in the Lords return when he says “we who are alive…we will be together with the Lord always.” Even the anti-G-d Paul was expecting the return of the Jesus in his life time.

In Peter’s second epistle there is the change in expectation of the Jesus’ return and we get the “thousand years is but a day”; Peter realized the Jesus wasn’t returning as he said he would. To make the connection to Ps 90:4 is great, but are we looking with understanding or just parallel words?

“Indeed, a thousand years in Your eyes are like yesterday gone by.” Time, as we know, is irrelevant to God. For Him, a thousand years are like a day in the past; they leave but a memory. “Like a watch of the night.” A period of time that goes unnoticed by those who sleep through the watch.

Of course time is different for us than for G-d; HE created it and gave it to mankind as a tool of measure, HE isn’t bound by it, isn’t subject to it, and lives outside it. So I do understand this concept and have repeated these words many times. In the case of Peter, although the time concept is there, it isn’t what he was trying to convey. Peter was reasoning away why the Jesus didn’t return when he said he would and was still expecting him to return in his lifetime.

When G-d does speak with a time table, is it for HIS benefit or ours? Does HE speak to mankind mysteriously or plainly? This then goes back to the Jesus telling the disciples of his return after the Temple destruction and saying he was coming “quickly” and “soon” in Revelation; was this for G-d’s benefit or ours? So it’s not about those in the first century or me today “failing to understanding” what time means to G-d, but NT believers not understanding that G-d communicates in the way man understands and not in some lofty way to confuse.

[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

(IBA)

Your “devotional” is another fine example of parachute theology; I found a verse I like, it sounds like what I believe, and will then apply it to my belief system as proof.

You quote Mal 4:1-3, did you read the next verse??? “Remember the law of my servant Moses, to whom at Horeb I gave rules and regulations for all Israel to obey.” The previous three verses applies to Israel not to a “christian” who survived the christian’s version of the final judgment. The “law” spoken of are the “laws” given to Moses, the 613 laws the Israelite’s said they would follow!! In a previous post YOU stated CONTEXT is important, but here you have taken the context of Israel and apply it to your “christian” belief system. It would seem context isn’t as important as you say it is and your belief supersedes the truth!

Still waiting for you to tell me about what John was measuring in Rev 11 as it would point to him measuring the second Temple as it stood in the first century. Which would then place the book of Revelation BEFORE its destruction and render everything christianity says about the “End Time” as false.

What about when the Jesus says soon in Rev 1:1; 22:6,7,12,20. My understanding of soon isn’t 2000 years. Even at the foundations of your faith they said the Jesus was returning in THEIR day and many sold everything and waited for the Jesus who never came. This event was called “The Great Disappointment” and these people, who now had nothing, left the lies of this false church. Yet today you still cling to the lies that where proven false when this faith first began.

The Jesus isn’t the Messiah spoken of in the Tanakh and he isn’t returning…ever, thus making him a false messiah.

Prove what you believe is truth!! When will you begin verifying what you have been told is truth??

[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

(aka I’ll Believe Anything),

Did you just “back down”?? YUP!! You sure did!!

You really need to explain the “millennial reign” because at the end Satan is to be released and deceive many; the question is why didn’t the king Jesus let everyone know this was going to happen and prepare them for this? What happened to the NT bible, did it disappear, was it no longer needed? You still haven’t explain chapter 11 and what John was measuring. Nor have you explained what the Jesus meant by “soon” in chapter 1 or in chapter 22. Soon to me doesn’t mean two millennia into the future.

Still waiting for anyone to explain Amos 3:7.

So many questions, but NO answers!!

[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

(aka I’ll Believe Anything),

So now you’re backing down when it comes to Cain and Abel!?
Why is that?

Backing down?!?!?! You have yet to explain anything and constantly shift topics!! You are the definition of “backing down”!! When you can’t explain why you believe what you believe or support your beliefs with G-d’s words (the Tanakh), it makes you a blind follower. In the case of christianity, a blind follower of a specific religious belief, where the only “correct” belief is theirs.

I’ve explained your Cain and Abel question, asked a series of questions that received no answers, I asked what you believed their sacrifices meant, and you ran away (backed down!!). In fact, I had to look up what you believe and posted the false nonsense of your goddess and you still had no response and ran away (backed down!!). Better look in the mirror before you throw around accusations like that!

You’re backing down regarding David’s clothes, too—yet that isn’t symbolic; it’s not just a casual figure of speech…

You accuse me of “backing down”; yet, I went thru the passage and the only person I found being talked about was David and never found a reference to the Jesus. What have you explained about this passages?

It’s NOT symbolic in the christian sense, it’s poetry!! It has imagery, have you ever read a poem or is that called entertainment and forbidden? Using the king Jimmy you love so much it says David’s bones have eyes, as his bones look and stare back at him. It’s written in black and white and therefore must be taken literally.

The bigger take away isn’t about me explaining or not explaining; it’s about YOU and your inability to explain your position! WHY DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE!! SUPPORT IT!!

Reconsider your position, DT.

What “position” am I to reconsider?? Going back to a place where G-d is second to “the son”? Where our creator is an after thought? Maybe you need to verify why you believe what you believe instead of blindly hitting the “I Believe Button.”

In short, if there is anyone who is “backing down”, it’s not me, it’s christianity and every faith under her false umbrella. Start verifying everything you have been told it truth!

[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

Where did the Cain and Abel thing come from?!?!? Talk about random!! By the way, we’ve been over this before; do you not remember?? I asked you what it meant and you couldn’t tell me! Such “strong” beliefs you have when you can’t support what you believe; we call that being gullible.

You understand Psalm 22 is poetry…right!! So the events spoken aren’t to be taken literal. The next verse says “I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me”, so David’s bones have eyes?!!?

You need to change your name to “I’ll Believe Anything.” What you believe is false, when will you open your eyes!

[DesireTruth]

@Danny,

You’ve mentioned I John 2:23 twice now, what is your point? We have truth because some NT writer said by denying the “son” one automatically denies the Father? Since the Jesus isn’t The Messiah (unless you can prove he is – beliefs don’t count, evidence does) and I turn my attention to G-d alone, what need do I have of the Jesus?

Why do you, or anyone, need a middleman to get to G-d? Does a child need a representative to get to their father or can they go directly to him? When a child does come to their father, doesn’t that father welcome and embrace that child? When did G-d ever say a middleman was required to find HIM; aren’t we children of G-d? Didn’t G-d spare Nineveh from destruction because the city cried out to HIM for forgiveness, no middleman involved at all. The city didn’t have to go thru Jonah to get to G-d, they cried out directly to G-d.

Where in the Tanakh does G-d say he was sending this mediator to act on your behalf to get to HIM? What you believe cannot be supported by the Tanakh, so why do you believe what you believe?

[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING!!

Go ahead, explain what happened with David’s clothes when we shared them.

“When we shared them”, say what???

15 The roof of my mouth is as dry as a piece of pottery; my tongue sticks to my gums. You set me in the dust of death. 16 Yes, wild dogs surround me – a gang of evil men crowd around me; like a lion they pin my hands and feet. 17 I can count all my bones; my enemies are gloating over me in triumph. 18 They are dividing up my clothes among themselves; they are rolling dice for my garments.

Vs15 “my” = David; “You” = G-d; “me” = David
Vs16 “me” = David; “my” = David
Vs 17 “I” = David; “my” = David; “enemies” = enemies; “me” = David
Vs18 “they” = enemies; “my” = David; “themselves” = enemies; “they” = enemies

Nowhere do I see a reference to anyone other than David and the enemies that where surrounding him. Yet, by some magical reading of this passage you (christianity) have deduced the David event is a reference to the Jesus.

You are 100% correct, context IS everything and Psalm 22 is a Psalm by David and is David crying out to G-d because he feels alone and is surrounded by his enemies; but he knows G-d is there and will protect him. This is the general gist of the Psalm, prove this is messianic or prophetic. The best anyone can do is find a similarity AND THAT’S IT!

[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

Blah, blah, blah; the Psalm is about David NOT the Jesus. You believe a lie!

More Parachute theology, drop in on a passage that one thinks is about the Jesus because is sounds like the Jesus. Read the entire chapter and place that single verse into the context it was written and there will be no the Jesus. Besides, Ps 22 isn’t Messianic prophesy; it’s David crying out to the Lord for deliverance from his dangerous enemies, who have surrounded him and threaten his life. Confident that the Lord will intervene, he then vows to thank the Lord publicly for his help and anticipates a time when all people will recognize the Lord’s greatness and worship him.

Do people read anymore; is comprehension a thing of the past?!?!? CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING!!

[DesireTruth]

@Proclaimer,

although mōtāw is grammatically plural, it does not necessarily mean the servant literally died several deaths

You are assuming the servant is a singular individual. In that case of course one can only die a single physical death; however, this isn’t about an individual; it’s about a nation – Israel. You then bring in ancient texts, I’m reading the current texts and translating them from the Hebrew and the word is “deaths.” Are you implying the current Hebrew writing of today are wrong?

The word you gave בומתו put into a translator by itself doesn’t have a meaning, what’s the entire phrase?

 

In my statement of the Jesus being deceitful by speaking in parables so the people couldn’t repent, you reply:

No, its about not casting pearls before swine. If you do that, you put those people into judgment because they have been told a precious truth and then trample on it. It is wiser to not tell them such things, and to give them the basic gospel with the hope that they will be able to receive the deeper things of God.

What kind of nonsense is this!! Did you read Isa 6:9-10? If the Jesus was the true Messiah he would be speaking to turn the nation back to G-d, NOT hiding it from them! “My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes.” (Ezekiel 37:24). Besides, the Isaiah passage the Jesus quotes as a “fulfillment” was a commission for Isaiah NOT The Messiah and definitely NOT the Jesus. Does anyone study G-d’s words or verify what they have been told???!?!?

You then quote from the book of an unknown author, a book that should never have been allowed in the NT, a book filled with lies, the book of Hebrews. SIGH!!!

[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

Ps 22 is a Psalm by David, about David; how do you get the Jesus out of that? Oh vs16 of the king Jimmy sounds like the Jesus so it must be! More parachute theology…

“For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.”

What the Hebrew translated says, “For dogs have surrounded me; a congregation of evildoers has encircled me; like a lion, my hands and my feet.”

There is nothing about any hands being “pierced” in the original Hebrew. In fact, because of the odd structure of the Hebrew translation, words were inserted to make the sentence flow better grammatically. Why did king Jimmy, among others, add “pierced” while others say, “they are at…”, “they threaten…”, “they pin…”, “they maul…”? What happened to the “lion” in the king Jimmy (it’s in the Hebrew)? It would seem it was conveniently left out to make it sound like it was the wicked who did the “piercing.” When has anyone heard of a lion piecing anything, they shred their prey. More Jimmy mistranslations!

Zech 13:6?!?!? you better read this verse in context because the passage is about denying one is a prophet. Of course we have the king Jimmy mistranslation again, most translations speak of wounds between their hands (the chest), NOT in their hands. Does the christian really study the words of G-d or simply listen to what they have been told? Sounding more like a cult everyday.

THE ENTIRE BIBLE PROVES THAT JESUS ​​IS THE BIBLE’S MESSIAH.

Still waiting for the evidence. To make a blanket statement as this only proves you can’t! Then to quote Isa 53:5 without explanation again confirms you can’t prove the Jesus is the true Messiah. Who is the “he” or the “we”/the “him” or the “our” of this passages? Again, you will remain silent because you have no idea!

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW YOU FEEL TOWARD THE MESSIAH, CHRIST JESUS.

The Jesus would have to be The Messiah, which he isn’t. Funny statement though!

YES, BY REJECTING HIM YOU ARE FULFILLING THE PROPHECY OF ISAIAH.

I can’t be fulfilling what Isaiah said when the Jesus wasn’t despised or rejected by man, he had a HUGE following! So what exactly am I fulfilling when the chapter isn’t messianic? When will you stop with your parachute theology and read the context that passages are written in? Most of the time that is all one has to do to see the lies of christianity.

When are people going to begin verifying what they have been told is truth?!?

[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

Who is the “he”, who is the “our”?

If you can’t identify who these pronouns are, why do you believe what you believe?

Still waiting for how the Jesus fulfilled Isa 53 when he wasn’t “innocent”; he was violent, deceitful, was desired, and he wasn’t so hideous that people avoided him. I have given the passages proving the person described in Isa 53 COULD NOT be the Jesus; yet, you still cling to your idolatry (anything between you and G-d). Talk about stubborn!

Prove the Jesus IS The Messiah!!

[DesireTruth]

@Danny,

Not worried, the Jesus didn’t fulfill what was prophesied about The Messiah. Unless you can prove he did.

Did you read Amos 3:7? “Certainly the sovereign LORD does nothing without first revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.” Where is it prophesied in the Tanakh The Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind, be buried and raised up again, return to heaven for an unknown period of time, come back to judge the world, condemn those who don’t believe in him to an eternity of torture, reign for 1000 years for everything to go back to the way it was before his reign, and then conquer his nemesis, Satan. You find that in the Tanakh, then I’ll be worried about denying the Jesus.

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