@Jodi,

We WILL get to Isaiah 53, but in a new thread as time permits; so patience is required.

Christendom believes it was sin that put the Jesus to death; which means the “sinless, guiltless, and innocent” Jesus took on the wickedness of the guilty and was put to death for the guilty. However in Ezek 18:20 we are told “The soul that sins, it sh…[Read more]

@Gene,

Have you read have Ezek 18:19-32 yet? If not, why not? God is speaking to his creation, HE desires that all turn from their wickedness, follow HIS statutes, and return to HIM. Nothing in this passage speaks of a man one must believe in to come before our creator, the lie of christianity. You are not “filthy rags” before our Heavenly Fat…[Read more]

@Gene,

Once again you’ve avoided answering what the purpose of the Jesus’ death served? God says no one can be punished/be responsible for others wickedness as the sin belongs to the offender; yet, you claim the wickedness of mankind put the Jesus on the cross. Explain what his death did for mankind and continuing to point out how the Jesus liv…[Read more]

@Gene,

Apparently what I wrote went over your head. God said the wicked are responsible for their wickedness; which we agree upon. HOWEVER, you have yet to explain the purpose of the Jesus’ death and what it accomplished. If sin put the Jesus on the cross, his death had to do something otherwise it was for nothing.

You obviously DIDN’T read the…[Read more]

@Gene,

You: yes all our personal sins did cause Jesus to have to be crucified.

Me: So all the sin from creation to the end of the world put the Jesus on the cross for the purpose of what? If we are responsible for our own sins and will judged for them, how do our sins put the innocent, perfect Jesus on the cross? What did his death accomplish?…[Read more]

@Jodi,

You know that isn’t what I was asking; did your “personal sin” nail the Jesus to the cross? Why do you refuse to answer this question?

@Jodi,

You still have not said you personally nailed the Jesus to the cross…fascinating! Let your yes be yes and your no be no!

@Jodi,

Have you noticed you haven’t answered whether or not you nailed the Jesus to the cross? Apparently it is a difficult question to answer.

Did you notice you have deflected to another topic? I can only surmise this tactic is being used to push the conversation away from what you refuse to answer. Which I will not be baited into and will p…[Read more]

@Jodi,

You: Are you telling me that you have not comprehended that I believe Jesus is the righteous servant of Isaiah 53 who was wounded for my transgressions?

Me: So are you saying you put the Jesus on the cross?

@Jodi,

Unfortunately, at this time, I am unable to read your mind which is why I asked if you did or did not put the Jesus on the cross? It requires a simple, yes I did or no I didn’t. If you would like to offer your explanation to why you did or did not, that’s up to you.

PS The Ezek passage you quote, to whom was that given, the Jews or the world?

@Jodi,

Did you or did you not put the Jesus on the cross? Is this question to difficult?

Why do you believe it’s the apostles speaking in Isaiah 53?

Can you explain why the writer of Matthew in 2:15 takes Hosea 11:1 out of context, calling it a “fulfillment” of the prophet, by applying it to the Jesus when the Hosea passage speaks of God calli…[Read more]

@Jodi,

(From post #946686)

Did you put the Jesus on the cross; if so, what did you do that put him there?

ME: Why does your response not speak to what we were directly debating about?

If the prophesy of Isaiah 53 is the words of the apostles giving the report of Jesus as savior to the people then the “our” and “we” most assuredly include the…[Read more]

@Admin,

You: Mankind has a sin problem.
Me: Explain. I would assert it’s more of an obedience problem.

You: It needed a unique solution besides letting our souls die.
Me: So repenting, turning from wickedness, and God forgetting the sin isn’t good enough? What other possible “solution” could be required?

You: God loved us, and didn’t want us…[Read more]

@Jodi,

In reference to post #946652

Did you put the Jesus on the cross; if so, what did you do that put him there?

@Proclaimer,

You: God is not a man. He is also not an angel. He doesn’t have a body. He is an eternal spirit.

Me: Can I say DUH!! I have never once stated the contrary. What I have said is God loves HIS creation; why doesn’t christianity understand that? I have never claimed to know or understand why good and bad things happen in the world, t…[Read more]

@Admin,

You: You lack understanding, God doesn’t put his full plan in the Old Testament. Rather, he reveals parts of his plan at the right time / season.

Me: It isn’t me who “lacks understanding”; it’s the entirety of the christian faith that lacks understanding, as they are focused only on the NT and in general disregard the Tanakh, calling…[Read more]

@Carmel,

Didn’t read a word since you don’t know how to write in paragraph format…either learn how to properly communicate in the written format, and I will respond OR don’t, and I won’t. It’s that simple!

P.S. All capital letters means you’re yelling and is poor writing etiquette, and is extremely rude; you’re not a rude person are you?

@Jodi

@Gene,

Jodi, you accuse me of “not acknowledging that Isaiah 53 is clearly speaking of one individual”; but, you can’t tell me who is speaking where in this chapter, haven’t explained why the singular used here is any different than anywhere else in the Tanakh when God refers to Israel (the nation) as “a son”, AND you haven’t explained how…[Read more]

@Jodi,

Still waiting for an answer to where else in the Tanakh it states the Messiah was to be “born of a virgin.” If it’s important, God repeats HIMSELF. The Isaiah 7 passage isn’t Messianic, the sign IS the child being old enough to reject evil and choose good, not the birth as the writer of Matthew wants to claim. Then to say it’s dual prop…[Read more]

@Gene,

In none of what you said did you give a single passage where God said the Messiah was to be a go between so man can get to God. All you said was the Tanakh was “full of mediators.” Then said Noah, Moses, and all the prophets were “mediators.” Really!! A mediator is one who brings two parties together to settle a disagreement or varianc…[Read more]