DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 1 month ago
You quote Ps 22:16 as “proof” to who the “our” is in Isa 53:1 and the “message” no one would believe?!?! That makes zero sense! Or were you just spouting off verses again without explanation?
How exactly does Isa 53:5 explain the pronoun in verse one?
You then quote Zech 13:6; recommend you read verses 1-5 to put 6 into perspective…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 1 month ago
@Gene,
You: “I meant to say was he was resurrected Saturday evening at sunset”
Me: I’m sorry your statement really ticks me off as you doubled down on the 3:00pm time frame, insisting that is when Jesus was raised up; and you now “meant to say” it was really “at sunset”?!?!?!?? In all the places I have traveled around the world 3:00pm and su…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 1 month ago
You: “when there were no sons to preserve the inheritance, the husband (son-in-law) would become the son upon marriage to keep up the family name.”
Me: I haven’t found this verse that says when marrying the daughter of a son less man the man being married becomes the “son” of that man. The only thing I found was when a man only has…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 1 month ago
Who do you think the “our” is in verse one and what message are they speaking that is so unbelievable? Who is speaking here? Please don’t stop at one verse, explain them all and what’s happening. Singling out a few verses and saying it’s Jesus is nonsensical and proves nothing but cherry picking, place all the verses in context and expla…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 1 month ago
@Danny,
What an intellectual response to questions asked in post# 946186. You really don’t know how to respond; except with what you have been told to believe and even then your grasping at thin air, you believe something you can’t explain.
Still need to know who is speaking where in this dialog and what pronouns reference who. Lead me; bri…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 1 month ago
@Gene,
Since Jodi’s post is “most excellent” (Bill, Ted is that you?!?!)
Maybe you can tell me what it means to be “circumcised of the heart” and why in Ezek 44:9 Thus says the Lord Yahweh: “Every foreigner uncircumcised of heart and uncircumcised of flesh shall not come into my sanctuary—not any of the foreigners who are in the midst of the Isr…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 1 month ago
@Gene,
King James Bible
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Let’s analyze this wording, it won’t take much because all you need is a child like level of understanding to comprehend what is written. It says “when Jesus was risen”; when was Jesus r…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 1 month ago
@Gene,
Why are you making this so complicated?!!? Because you can’t admit error?
First, it explicitly says “rose early on the first day” and therefore CANNOT be at 3:00pm on the last day. The Jewish day ends and begins at sunset and traditionally today 6:00pm is used, so early on the first day would would put the time of Jesus’ resurre…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 2 months ago
You: DT, that pure CHERRY PICKING, also, what about CONTEXT?
Me: That is a statement of pure desperation! You are utterly clueless on how to respond.
Are you saying the Jewish people don’t associate their tribal lineage to their paternal side? What does verse 2 say, a child could comprehend it. How many women are listed in Jesus’ lin…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 2 months ago
@Danny,
You can say Isa 53 is the “proof” Jesus paid for mankind’s sins and in doing so we have “salvation” all you want; but can you explain what’s happening in the chapter verse by verse? Who is speaking where in Isa 52:13-53:12? Can you explain verse 10 and how it relates to Jesus? “And the Lord wished to crush him, He made him ill; if his s…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 2 months ago
@Gene,
You: Jesus actually rose around 3:00 pm SATURDAY AFTERNOON. He did not raise Sunday morning. That is simply another false modern religious assumption.
Me: Not really an assumption when Mark 16:9 says “Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week” So Mark’s account is another lie I can put down for why the NT is not God’s…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 2 months ago
@Danny,
Are you kidding me!! Did Moses ever claim to be the “Son of God”? He was a prophet to the people of Israel. God used Moses to “lead” the people of Israel and was not a conduit for “salvation” (the people were “delivered” out of Egypt, “saved” wouldn’t be the correct word choice); in fact Moses tried to take the sins of the people on hims…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 2 months ago
@Gene,
Where do I begin with this butchering of God’s word?
You have NEVER answered the important question of who is speaking where in Isa 52:13-53:12. Jonah isn’t a prophecy about Jesus; he was a prophet to the city of Nineveh. Jesus only made a correlation to Jonah “as Jonah…so will…for three days and three nights”; except Jesus was cru…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 2 months ago
What does it mean to be “circumcised of the heart”?
If physical circumcision means nothing why does God say “Thus says the Lord Yahweh: “Every foreigner uncircumcised of heart and uncircumcised of flesh shall not come into my sanctuary—not any of the foreigners who are in the midst of the Israelites.” (Ez 44:9) This is the “walk throu…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 2 months ago
You: THE ABOVE IS IRRELEVANT, AS JESUS WAS NOT OF JECONIAH, JOSEPH WAS, AND JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF JOSEPH AT ALL. BUT THE SON OF MARY OF NATHAN!
ANOTHER OF DAVID’S LINEAGE.
Me: Thank you for putting this at the top; I don’t have to read any further, because the rest of what you will say will be foolishness.
What part of Numbers 1:2 e…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 2 months ago
Me: I’ve already said all I can; all you have given me are man’s opinions and reasonings for why Jechoniah is listed.
You: ISN’T THAT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR?
Me: Ahhh, NO! I asked for where Jechoniah asked for forgiveness and his lineage was restored to David’s throne and listed as a descendant of Jesus. Even if we were to write this of…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 2 months ago
You: Isn’t that what you’re doing in Paul’s case, ” I ROBBED OTHER CHURCHES…..”
Me: Funny, I am being condemned for “not reading” all of what Paul says and not putting his words into “context”; yet, this is the same thing that is being done with the Tanakh to support/prove the christian theology. Pick a verse here and there claiming it…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 2 months ago
@ Jodi,
There seems to be a level of confusion is what we are talking about; what I “don’t care about” is the “equality in giving” you keep inserting into this verse and equating “donations” and “giving” to being paid for services. Paul specifically tells those in Corinth “I robbed other assemblies, taking WAGES from them that I might serve you”;…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 2 months ago
You posted from Jews for Jesus (sigh):
“The necessity for this exception to the rule became apparent when Isaiah 7:14 prophesied that the Messiah would be born of a virgin:
“Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call his name Immanuel.”
Couple issues with thi…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 2 years, 2 months ago
@Danny,
Why don’t you do a big Bible study instead of asking all these questions? You seem like a “young christian.” Instead of telling me to “study”, maybe take your own advice and not rely on the words of those whom you think are telling you truth and verify these words for yourself.
Try using Biblehub. There you can find good comment…[Read more]
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