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[carmel]

Hi DT,

You: Your style of writing is horrific and obnoxious …..

Me: Fine, what about my intentions? I keep on writing in that particular style, for a reason NO?

You: try paragraph format, it’s how the rest of the world actually writes.

Me: Is it? Click on the address hereunder and you experience another type of HORRIFIC and OBNOXIOUS writing format!

https://artlicursi.com/articles/paul%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Crevelation-mystery%E2%80%9D-proof-verse-outline

Now, on the other hand,  who said that though you write in paragraph format, it is not also, HORRIFIC and OBNOXIOUS in its contents. It’s not annoying, NOT ONLY TO ME for sure, but also to all other Christians, especially those who are more spiritually minded, for sure also, MORE THAN YOU.

Me: DON’T RUSH TO CONCLUSIONS, AGAIN TO REMIND YOU; MY PERSPECTIVES ARE SPIRITUAL!

You: Keep telling yourself that!

Yes, I keep telling that both to you and to others, especially all those like you, carnally minded still subject to the OT, spiritually dead,  and by saying that, I feel that I am not only being honest but also in this case, making you aware, that as much as what CONCERNS CHRIST is not of this world, I MEAN SPIRITUAL DIRECTLY THROUGHOUT FROM THE FATHER, John 8:23, likewise, both my perspectives and my writing format ARE ALSO NOT OF THIS WORLD, SPIRITUAL, precisely, expressed purposely in my writing format, according to you, HORRIFIC and OBNOXIOUS, consequently

my writing format speaks for itself!

Thus, I am to please no one on these forums, BUT CHRIST, Galatians 1:10, never mind you!  CARNALLY MINDED and SPIRITUALLY DEAD, WITH EVERY RESPECT, FROM MY END also

HORRIFIC and OBNOXIOUS!!! as simple as that!

On the other hand, DT, the TRUTH is, that as I mentioned above, your writing in paragraph format TO PLEASE THE WORLD and MEN, is still HORRIFIC and OBNOXIOUS, especially, when a person like you writes things CONCERNING CHRIST and His Gospel;

not only full of errors but also lies.

Asserted hereunder:

You: Jesus isn’t divine.

That Kind of language above DT, IS NOT ONLY HORRIFIC and OBNOXIOUS but confirms that SPIRITUALLY, ATTENTION PLEASE:

You are still in EXILE,

as you affirmed hereunder:

You: “Jesus will gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel”

DT. The Jewish people don’t believe in Christ!!!

THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD LIKE THEIR OWN BELIEF OF THE OT! OBSOLETE!

Now here this,

NO CHRIST NO GOD, NO GOD NO CHRIST, AS SIMPLE AS THAT!

WE ARE THE BRIDE OF CHRIST! Asserted in

John 3:29 He that hath the bride, is the bridegroom: ….

THUS,  CHRIST IS OUR BRIDEGROOM NOT GOD THE FATHER,

OUR FIRST LOVE,

AND OUR TRUE PHYSICAL GOD and FATHER, John20:17, 1 John 5:20, 

WHEN IT COMES TO OUR SUBSTANCE OF FLESH AND BLOOD, EX SATANIC OF THE OT. OBSOLETE!

GOD THE FATHER IS OUR FATHER IN SPIRIT: asserted hereunder:

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in

spirit and in truth…..

John 10:30  I and the Father are one.

John 14:8 Philip saith to him: Lord, shew us the Father, and it is enough for us. 9 Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me?

Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also.

How sayest thou, Show us the Father?

John 15:5 I am the vine; you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit:

for without me you can do nothing.

John 16:15 All things whatsoever the Father hath, are mine…..

John 17:10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine;

and I am glorified in them.

THE GOD AND FATHER OF THE HUMAN RACE IN FLESH AND BLOOD!

FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER, SO ON THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD ,

GOD WOULD BE ALL IN ALL!

Now, get this into your stagnated MORTAL mind,

SPIRITUALLY THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE STILL IN EXILE!

Living in the OT. cursed, mortal, and dominated by the sexual reproductive process of flesh and blood satanic through Eve’s sin!

OBSOLETE!!!

Galatians 1:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised,

that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

 4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law;

ye are fallen from grace.

5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

DT, Jesus, IMMEDIATELY ON HIS DEATH! Luke 17:20-37 SPIRITUALLY, gathered the Jewish people and

RETURNED them to “ISRAEL”, and not just the Jewish people but also the Gentiles LIKE ME!

Asserted hereunder:

Ephesians2:4But God, (who is rich in mercy,) for his exceeding charity wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins,

hath quickened us TOGETHER IN CHRIST, (by whose grace you are saved,)

6And hath raised us up together,

THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, SPIRITUALLY WAS EMBODIED AUTHENTICALLY IN JESUS THE SON OF MAN ON HIS RESURRECTION, THE SECOND ADAM!

THE FACT THAT HE CALLED HIMSELF THE SON OF MAN!

The entire human race was gathered and returned to “ISRAEL”.

BY WHAT PROCESS MAY I ASK ???

2 Timothy 2:11 A faithful saying: for if we be dead with him, we shall live also with him.

In the above it is more than clear that THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE , THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES, SPIRITUALLY, ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM AND ALL FOR HIM, at a particular moment in time,

died with Jesus the Son of Man on the cross.  Depicted in

John12:30Jesus answered, and said: This voice came not because of me,

but for your sakes.

31 Now is the judgment of the world:

now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth,

will draw all things to myself.

That’s enough of that for the moment! MORE IN THE NEXT POST! Now to :

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth:…

Likewise, JESUS FOR OUR SAKE,

ALSO RESURRECTED and WAS BORN AGAIN ANEW FROM THE EARTH, HENCE, LIKE ADAM, EMBODIED WITH THE HUMAN RACE ALL AUTHENTIC IN HIM, NOT YET PERFECT, AS ONLY GOD IS PERFECT.

….and breathed into his face the breath of life,

and man became a living soul.

Jesus, again for our sake, after His resurrection, that same evening at 6 Jewish time,

also received and integrated with the Holy Ghost!

AND BECAME A LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT!

Attention please: Now the Holy Ghost, in Jesus’ soul, Luke 23:46  glorified in one substance with Jesus’ flesh body “THE WORD”  THE SON OF MAN, on Jesus’ death  as Jesus Christ;

BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH, BOTH GOD AND MAN, John 13:31, 32, John 17:2, 10, John4:36-38, Acts 20:28,

Thus at 6 in the evening, Jesus’ resurrected body, “THE WORD” the Son of Man, and the Holy Ghost in full glory as Jesus Christ,

both GOD AND MAN on Jesus’ death,

INTEGRATED AND BECAME ONE SUBSTANCE, AND THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE EMBODIED AUTHENTIC IN JESUS’ RESURRECTED BODY GLORIFIED AND BECAME

CHILDREN OF GOD IN CHRIST.

THE TRUE GOD AND FATHER OF HUMANITY IN FLESH AND BLOOD! John17:10,John20:17

AND WE ARE ON THE RIGHT-HAND OF GOD THE FATHER IN CHRIST JESUS THE SON OF GOD! asserted hereunder:

Ephsians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and hath made us sit together in the heavenly places, through Christ Jesus.

HERE IT COMES ON A PLATE! CHEW, CHEW, and  CHEW!!!!

THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE SPIRITUALLY ARE GATHERED AND RETURNED TO THE TRUE ISRAEL!!! CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD!

ORIGINALLY AS THEY WERE IN GENESIS 1:1. John1:1. 

ALL HEAVENLY HOSTS CARRIERS OF GOD, IN ONE GLORY THROUGH “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN,  ETERNAL LIFE, PRE-EXISTED AS THE EMBODIMENT OF GOD PHYSICALLY MANIFESTED IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE IF FULL LIGHT, ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, and ALL FOR HIM, THE TRUE MORNING STAR, UNKNOWN FOR THE HEAVENLY HOSTS DURING THEIR PROBATION PERIOD FOR THE SAKE OF THEIR FREE WILL AND LOYALTY TO GOD!

John: 1:30 This is he, of whom I said: After me there cometh a man, who is preferred before me: because he was before me.

31 And I knew him not,…

also HINTED OUT hereunder:

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female:

for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

ALL GATHERED and RETURNED TO THE TRUE ISRAEL!!!

29And if ye be Christ’s, THEN ARE YE ABRAHAM’S SEED, and heirs according to the promise.

ABRAHAM’S SEED:

JESUS THE SON OF MAN, AND ETERNAL LIFE, THE ETERNAL PHYSICAL IMAGE  AND  CARRIER OF GOD THE FATHER, THE GOD OF ABRAM, PRE-EXISTED,  WHO CONCEIVED ABRAM IN HIS HEART/SOUL, TO MAINTAIN HIS PRIMACY, IN HIS MOTHER’S WOMB.

GOD’S ETERNAL SERVANT!

Isaiah 42:1 BEHOLD my servant, I will uphold him: my elect, MY SOUL delighteth IN HIM:

I HAVE GIVEN my spirit upon him,

I HAVE GIVEN MY SPIRIT UPON HIM, ETERNAL LIFE, 1 John 1: 1,2

THE FIRST-EVER ACT OF GOD :

LET THEIR BE LIGHT! THE BIG BANG!

6 I the Lord HAVE CALLED thee in justice,

FROM THE VERY BEGINNING

and taken thee by the hand, and PRESERVED YOU. And I HAVE GIVEN thee for a covenant of THE PEOPLE,

GOD ALL-KNOWING BEFORE CREATION STARTED!

for a light of the Gentiles:

LUCIFER’S FALLEN REBELLIOUS ANGELS!

I repeat; God SPIRITUALLY through Jesus’ death on the cross, GOD gathered both the Jews and the Gentiles and returned them to “ISRAEL” Luke 17:20-37

ONE DOWN!

You:  “the Jesus will rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem

DT. SPIRITUALLY JESUS ALREADY BUILT THE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM!!!

 

Flesh counts for nothing in God’s own work; THE FACT THAT THE PROCESS OF THE FLESH AND BLOOD, SPIRITUALLY DEAD OF THE OT; SATANIC through the original sin, is OBSOLETE.

WON BY JESUS’ DEATH ON THE CROSS!

IT IS HIS SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE/EXISTENCE TO ALL  HIS WORK.

 

All the above in the next post

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[carmel]

Hi DT,

You: Accusing me of not continuing our “conversation” because I “don’t like your format”,….

couldn’t be further from the truth.

Me: if you wanted to be honest and also TO JUSTIFY YOURSELF why haven’t you been more specific and posted my own words, instead of the above,?

I have proven to you specifically black on white, THAT MY WRITING FORMAT WAS NOT TRULY AN ISSUE AS SUCH for not responding anymore to my posts, and I DID SO BY CUTTING AND PASTE  YOUR OWN POSTS!

I will specifically repeat; You are not in the position to contradict anymore my spiritually focussed posts, WHICH THE TANAKH, SIMPLY HIDDEN, IS CRAMMED WITH, thus, you made use of my writing format as a scapegoat!!!

AS SIMPLE AS THAT!

Where did I accuse you that you don’t want to continue with our conversation because you don’t like my format?

Just read hereunder again what I posted to you:

Do you want me to believe that you don’t want to respond because of my writing format?

YOU MUST BE JOKING!

What if my post WRITTEN IN THAT FORMAT was ATTRIBUTED to a Scripture within the Tanakh proficient to you, I mean physically and literally?

WOULDN’T YOU HAVE RESPONDED AND WHILE IGNORING COMPLETELY MY WRITING FORMAT, CONTRADICTED ME INSTEAD?

You: I have asked you multiple times to change your writing style because fragmented sentences are annoying to following,

WHAT MULTIPLE TIMES?????

Unless, in this regard, you specifically cut and paste your comments, from my end I consider what you said above just simply lies.

In my last post, I produced specifically more than enough of your responses, and made clear that throughout the eighteen months of your participation in these forums, you never DIRECTLY SPECIFICALLY and CONSISTENTLY asked me to change my writing format, as you did in the post before the last,! THE FACT THAT YOU NEVER PRODUCED ANYTHING TO JUSTIFY YOURSELF!

You: the constant “I’m superior to everyone” mentality, while obnoxious, I can handle; but paints you as a self absorbed, know-it-all most will avoid.

First and foremost, the above applies EQUIVALENTLY also to you I’m afraid, especially concerning the Tanakh, AGAIN, always from your  PHYSICAL perspectives though, OBSOLETE; particularly Isaiah 52/53, and also all what you addressed and asked Gene, hereunder in italics:

Please find in the Tanakh where God speaks of this “millennial age.” You still haven’t answered my question if the Jesus fulfills what the Tanakh says the true Messiah will be and what he will do.

Please provide the NT passages that confirm he will accomplish the following when he returns:

“the Jesus will gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel”

“the Jesus will rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem”

“the Jesus will will rule at a time of world-wide peace”

“the Jesus will will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe the “obsolete commands” of God.

“the Jesus will will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one God.”

YOUR WRITING ABOVE IS VOID, AND UNLESS YOU PRODUCE THE RESPECTIVE SPECIFIC SCRIPTURE OF THE ABOVE, ACCORDING TO YOUR POOR MENTALITY, WITH EVERY RESPECT, THE MESSAIAH’S PHYSICAL TASK WHEN HE COMES, IT WON’T BE POSSIBLE TO REVEAL THE TRUE “SPIRITUAL” PROPHECIES THE TANAHK IS REFERENCING, AND ALSO, ATTENTION PLEASE:

WHETHER JESUS AFTER ALL, HAD ALREADY FULFILLED;

AGAIN “SPIRITUALLY”, SINCE HE MANIFESTED AND REVEALED GOD THE FATHER WHO IS SPIRIT,

AS SIMPLE AS THAT!

You: the constant “I’m superior to everyone” mentality, while obnoxious, I can handle; but paints you as a self absorbed, know-it-all most will avoid.

It is within your task to make sure that I don’t behave likewise.

Do you know how?

Simply by contradicting specifically my comments.

Till then mine stands!

AS SIMPLE AS THAT!

You: With this understanding, would you continue a conversation with this type of individual?

As a “DESIRETRUTH”, FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST and His truth, who you do not believe never mind receive, I would ignore the writing format completely, and once the conversation is to my aptitude, while focussing on the content, for the sake of TRUTH and LOVE, I never quit at all costs, especially when the individual in any way, is a direct opponent, my understanding ASSERTS me that the individual is in error,  and while I manipulate the opponent’s mind BY ALL JUSTIFIED MANNERS possible, I remain in the conversation, till my opponent somehow change his views. UNLESS HE IS DEMORALIZED AND SIMPLE QUIT!

THE TROUBLE WITH YOU DT, IS THAT YOU WANT US CHRISTIANS TO ACCEPT THE IMMATURE OBSOLETE PROCESS OF THE MORTAL FLESH AND BLOOD SPIRITUALLY DEAD OF THE OT!

WITHOUT A TRUE GOD!

WHILE YOU CALL THE TRUTH OF OUR NEW SPIRITUAL ETERNAL LIFE PROCESS IN CHRIST

THE TRUE GOD ON EARTH!

A MERE LIE!

NOW ON THIS PLANET, THERE’S ONLY ONE WAY FOR ANYTHING TO BE CONSIDERED AS TRUE, AND THAT IS

TANGIBLY!

1John1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the word of life: 2For the life was manifested; and we have seen and do bear witness, and declare unto you the life eternal, which was with the Father, and hath appeared to us:

You: Also, why do you believe your writing style is “emphatic, expressive, and impactful” and not annoying to me and

Annoying you, as I mentioned, only if you were, as it seems, by this particular post ONLY, A LIE,  and FELT some inferiority vis-à-vis my SPIRITUAL messages, BUT FOR SURE AS I DEMONSTRATED ABOVE, YOU ARE NOT UPSET JUST BY MY WRITING FORMAT, AGAIN ONLY IN THIS PARTICULAR POST???

HMMMMM!

I REPEAT:

WHAT IF MY CONTENT SOMEHOW WAS WITHIN YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND IN A WAY, YOU WERE IN THE POSITION TO CONTRADICT IT, WOULD YOU HAVE ACTED LIKEWISE?

READ THIS SCRIPTURE HEREUNDER, AND TELL ME WHERE AND HOW IT IS DIRECTED TO “ISRAEL!!!

DON’T RUSH TO CONCLUSIONS, AGAIN TO REMIND YOU; MY PERSPECTIVES ARE SPIRITUAL!

Isaiah 52:7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, and that preacheth peace: of him that sheweth forth good, that preacheth salvation, that saith to SION:

Thy God shall reign!

8The voice of thy watchmen: they have lifted up their voice, they shall praise together: for they shall see eye to eye when the Lord shall convert SION.

9Rejoice, and give praise together, O ye deserts of JERUSALEM: for the Lord hath comforted his people: he hath redeemed JERUSALEM. 9Rejoice, and give praise together, O ye deserts of JERUSALEM: for the Lord hath comforted his people:
he hath redeemed JERUSALEM.

WHO IS “SION”

WHO IS ” JERUSALEM”

YOU: why do you care so much that our conversation continues?

ME: FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR THE SAKE OF OTHERS WHO ARE THIRSTY FOR TRUTH, THEN THE LOVE FOR THE CHURCH OF OUR

LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST

THE ONLY TRUE PHYSICAL GOD ON EARTH!

1John5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come: and he hath given us understanding that we may know the true God, and may be in his true Son.

This is the true God and life eternal.

Now just to mention one from your PHYSICAL OBSOLETE PERSPECTIVES ABOVE TO Gene:

“the Jesus will rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem”

 

DT. SPIRITUALY, JESUS ALREADY FUFILLED THE ABOVE!

 

More details in the next post!

 

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[carmel]

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[carmel]

@Carmel,

You: Didn’t read a word since you don’t know how to write in paragraph format…

ME: DESIRETRUTH????

This is the biggest lie I’ve ever read in these forums!

AS SIMPLE AS THAT!

You: either learn how to properly communicate in the written format, and I will respond OR don’t, and I won’t. It’s that simple!

Do you want me to believe that you don’t want to respond because of my writing format?

YOU MUST BE JOKING!

Let’s analyze things FROM OUR PREVIOUS POSTS.

I start with My previous post to the last. It was more than double the size of the last,  crammed with capitals, and according to you; YELLING, POOR WRITING ETIQUETTE, AND IS EXTREMELY RUDE!!!

How come, though you did reply, you never said anything  CONCERNING MY WRITING FORMAT???

HMMMMMM!!!

Now let’s VERIFY and go back to square one!

Page 1182 is the page where and when you introduced yourself to these forums eighteen months ago! On that particular page, I posted

 EIGHT LONG POSTS in the same WRITING FORMAT etc, etc, etc, of which the last one was the first reply I posted directly to you.

AGAIN NOT A MERE HINT WAS MENTIONED IN YOUR VERY FIRST RESPONSE, #942393, CONCERNING MY WRITING FORMAT!!!

HMMMMMM!!!

Now to page 1184  Post #942418

You: @ Carmel,
For curiosity’s sake, what do you do for a living (if retired, what did you do prior) and what faith do you most identify with?

Not to sound like I am prying or to seem I am demanding of you information that I wouldn’t give. For a living I am self employed running a home repair business, along with a side gig making custom wood pieces. I came from a “non-denominational” (what does that really mean – who knows) church, with the last church I attended being Southern Baptist.

The above is your first post sent directly to me eighteen months ago!

By the way, just to mention, we are very, very similar regarding our earnings, THE OPPOSITE OF OUR BELIEF, as apart from that I do almost all what you do; I am precisely also a self-employed/general carpenter. 

Now, before your introduction to these forums, you did see my writing format, and presumably, as you mentioned, for the sake of familiarity with all of us and our belief, you also did read some of my posts as you also did see and read others’, the fact that you said so above and became curious about me! May I ask you; is it by any chance because my writing WAS NOT IN PARAGRAPH FORMAT, hence, so prominent that you became curious about me, or because of THE CONTENT OF MY POSTS?

NEVERTHELESS, AGAIN, YOU DIDN’T MENTION A MERE HINT REGARDING MY WRITING FORMAT!!!

WHY DIDN’T YOU IF MY WRITING FORMAT WAS SO EMBARRASSING FOR YOU? WHY IT DID TAKE YOU EIGHTEEN MONTHS TO AFFIRM SUCH A DRASTIC DECISION?

AFTER ALL YOUR TRUE AND VITAL INTEREST IS YOUR DESIRE FOR TRUTH! NO?

IS IT TRUE, THEN, THAT MY WRITING FORMAT IS THE ONLY OBSTACLE THAT MAKES IT SO UNCOMFORTABLE FOR YOU TO READ JUST THIS PARTICULAR POST ONLY, AND THAT YOU BECOME EXTREMELY UPSET AND MOST IMPORTANTLY NOT READY TO RESPOND ANYMORE UNLESS I REFORM ACCORDING TO YOUR WISH?

MR. DT. In this case, GIVEN ALL THAT I MADE CLEAR TO YOU ABOVE, THE WAY I SEE IT, you are too confronted with THE CONTENT OF THE POST, MORE THAN THE WRITING FORMAT. On the other hand, I agree,  thanks to the unrestricted HTML content, and ESPECIALLY, the way I intentionally produced and presented it to you in that manner, is so emphatic, expressive, and impactful. Thus, psychologically in general, apart from that it did hit you so strongly more than expected, FOR SURE NOT JUST DUE TO THIS POST ONLY, it did also finally leave an impact on your behaviour as it revealed YOUR DISREGARD AND REJECTING OF THE SPIRITUAL CONCEPT AND ASPECT OF THE OT SCRIPTURE, most vital CONCERNING GOD’S SPIRITUAL HIDDEN TASK OF REDEMPTION, well pronounced by Augustine hereunder:

 “The new is in the old concealed; old is in the new revealed.”

God all-knowing, from the beginning of this particular world subject to death! Genesis 1:2

The fact that PHYSICALLY, THE PROCESS OF THE HUMAN RACE IN FLESH AND BLOOD OF THE OT, SATANIC FROM EVE’S SIN is OBSOLETE! 

THE FACT  THAT THE EGYPTIANS, SATAN, AND HIS DEMONS ON EARTH, AFTER THE JEWS, THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD, OF THE OT. WERE REDEEMED BY MOSES, BECAME ALSO OBSOLETE!

CONSEQUENTLY, CHRISTIANS, THE NEW PEOPLE OF GOD IN CHRIST, THROUGH JESUS’ FLESH AND BLOOD,

THE TRUE BREAD FROM HEAVEN!

GODMAN ON EARTH!

ACQUIRED ETERNAL LIFE!

BACK TO OUR ARGUMENT,  generally, my post disturbed your mind so badly, to the extent, that you took advantage of the written format, used it as a scapegoat, and not only rejected the content of the post in general BUT ALSO OPTED  NOT TO RESPOND ANYMORE TO MY POSTS, PARTICULARLY AND INTENTIONALLY ANY PART OF THIS POST!!!

MR. DT, THE CONTENT of this particular post, FOR SURE NOT YOUR FAMILIARITY, THE FACT THAT IT IS WRITTEN IN THAT KIND OF FORMAT WERE TOO MUCH FOR YOU TO CONTRADICT AND IT SIMPLY BECAME THE FINAL NAIL IN THE COFFIN FOR YOU. Frustrated and demoralized not capable enough to focus on the content, you opted to focus instead, both on me and on my writing format.

AS SIMPLE AS THAT!

LET’S REFER AGAIN TO YOUR LAST TWO COMMENTS:

THAT IN THE NEXT POST, WHETHER YOU REPLY OR NOT, FOR THE SAKE OF OTHERS.

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[carmel]

Hi DT,

YOU: What does the Ezekiel passage of GOD raising a valley of dry bones have to do with being of the seed of David?

THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT I EXPECTED FROM YOU!

I  POSTED EZEKIEL 37 CONCERNING THE DRY BONES, AS A RESPONSE TO YOUR OTHER VERY SIMILAR COMMENT POSTED  PREVIOUSLY,

HEREUNDER,

You: The most obvious “criteria” of the Messiah is his lineage and both Matthew and Luke say

Jesus’ daddy is THE SPIRIT and therefore

has no male biological connection to David and Solomon.

BOTH COMMENTS FROM YOU HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON! LET’S SEE!

THE FIRST COMMENT WAS DIRECTED TO “GOD”, SPIRIT, IN THE SECOND AGAIN YOUR COMMENT WAS DIRECTED TO “THE SPIRIT”, GOD’S!!!

THUS, FROM YOUR SIDE, THE SAME STUPID STORY AGAIN WHEN YOU REFER TO GOD, HIS SPIRIT, AND HIS WORK! I DON’T KNOW WHAT KIND OF A BELIEF YOU EMBRACE IF YOU DO EMBRACE A BELIEF, WHICH I SERIOUSLY DOUBT.

GOD, WITH THE SCRIPTURE OF EZEKIEL 37 DEMONSTRATED THE POWER OF THE “SPIRIT”, WHILE YOUR COMMENT CONCERNING JESUS’ CONCEPTION DEMONSTRATED THE OPPOSITE, TO BE CLEAR,

THE INFIRMITY OF THE “SPIRIT”! 

SIMPLY REDICOLOUS!!!

READ AGAIN YOUR NONSENSE:

Jesus’ daddy is THE SPIRIT and therefore

has no male biological connection to David and Solomon.

O!!!  I SEE, SO ACCORDING TO YOU, SINCE JESUS’ DADDY IS THE SPIRIT, HE IS NOT A DESCENDANT BOTH OF DAVID AND SOLOMON!

NOW LET’S GO BACK TO ISAAC’S CONCEPTION AND BIRTH!

REGARDING THE SCRIPTURE, ISAAC  FOR SURE IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT!

NOW WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT’S YOUR PIGEON, SINCE NO OTHER SCRIPTURE DECLARES OTHERWISE!

Genesis 17:16 And I will bless her, and of her,

I WILL GIVE YOU A SON,…

DID YOU GET THAT?

GOD, SPIRIT, OF SARAH, GAVE ABRAHAM A SON!

NOW, DOES ISAAC HAVE A BIOLOGICAL CONNECTION TO ABRAHAM???

READ:

Genesis 21:3 And Abraham called the name of his son, whom Sara bore him, Isaac.

NOW, IF ISAAC BORN OF THE SPIRIT, HAS A BIOLOGICAL CONNECTION TO ABRAHAM, JESUS OF THE SPIRIT ALSO HAS A BIOLOGICAL CONNECTION TO DAVID AND SOLOMON. NO?

NOW TO THE DRY BONES:

THAT PARTICULAR VERSE ESPECIALLY THOSE DRY BONES IS A DIRECT REFERENCE TO JESUS’ SPIRIT, PRE-EXISTED, HIDDEN, AND BURIED AS ETERNAL LIFE. WELL HINTED OUT IN 

John 1:3 ALL THINGS were made BY HIM:

“BY HIM” PRECISELY BY JESUS’ SPIRIT, “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD!!!

and without him was made nothing that was made. 

4 In him was life,…

SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rev. 13:8

NOW LET’S GO BACK TO 

Ezekiel 37:3 And he said to me: Son of man, dost thou think these bones shall live? And I answered: O Lord God, thou knowest. 4 And he said to me: Prophesy concerning these bones; and say to them:

Ye dry bones, hear the “WORD” of the Lord.

LET’S CLARIFY:

JESUS’ SPIRIT “THE WORD” IS BURIED AND HIDDEN WITHIN THOSE DRY BONES, SINCE BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST. Colossians 1:17, 

THEN WHAT???

LET’S READ PRECISELY JESUS, “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD MADE FLESH, 

John 8:28 Jesus therefore said to them: When you shall have lifted up the Son of man, then shall you know,

that I am he,

THAT I AM HE!

JESUS MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE IS “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD HIDDEN AND BURIED WITHIN ALL CREATURES, IN THIS CASE FOR NO USE WITHIN THE JEWS, ORIGINALLY LUCIFER’S REBELLIOUS ANGELS!

IN OUR CASE WITHIN THOSE BONES,

….All these bones are the house of Israel.. 

ETERNAL LIFE, AND THE ONLY SPIRIT/MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND HIS CREATURES!

THE FATHER, HIDDEN WITHIN JESUS’ SPIRIT, THE FATHER IN THE SON AND VICE VERSA,

John14:10 Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

The words that I speak to you,

I speak not of myself.

But the Father who abideth in me,

he doth the works. 

11 Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

12 Otherwise believe for the very works’ sake.

THUS, THE TALKING IS DONE BY THE FATHER WITHIN JESUS’ SPIRIT, “THE WORD” IN OUR CASE HIDDEN IN THE DRY BONES, AND JESUS SIMPLY DOES AS THE FATHER SPEAKS!

READ AGAIN:

Ye dry bones, hear the “WORD” of the Lord.

GOT IT???

THE FATHER SPEAKS THROUGH JESUS’ SPIRIT, “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, AND SINCE IN HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST, HIDDEN AND BURIED LIKE A TREASURE IN A FIELD, Matthew 13:44, JESUS’ SPIRIT OBEYS THE FATHER AND HE SIMPLY DOES AS THE FATHER SPEAKS, IN OUR CASE HE SIMPLY OUT OF THOSE DRY BONES RECREATED ANEW  

THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL!!!

YOU: What does the Ezekiel passage of GOD raising a valley of dry bones have to do with being of the seed of David?

AS YOU CAN WELL READ: FROM GOD’S PERSPECTIVE THERE’S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE DRY BONES AND

THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL NEVER MIND DAVID AND HIS “SEED”.

NOW, HOW AND BY WHAT POWER, DID ALL THESE EXCEEDING DRY BONES LIVE AND BECOME

AN EXCEEDING GREAT ARMY,

THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, AND SURELY WITH A BIOLOGICAL CONNECTION TO

DAVID AND SOLOMON, AND ALSO

HAVE A BIOLOGICAL FATHER?

HERE IT COMES:

BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD! NO?

TO BE CLEAR

By “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, MADE FLESH,

JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, !!!
A PRE-EXISTENT SPIRIT, ETERNAL LIFE!

BURIED LIKE A TREASURE IN A FIELD, MATTHEW 13:44

SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD…Rev.13:8

THROUGH EZEKIEL’S MOUTH!!!

INTO THAT VALLEY OF BONES!!!

ALIVE BY JESUS’ SPIRIT ETERNAL LIFE!

PRE-EXISTED!!!

NOW ATTENTION PLEASE:

IF ONLY BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD, THESE DRY BONES, BECAME ALIVE, AN EXCEEDING GREAT ARMY, THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, FOR SURE

WITH A CONNECTION TO DAVID AND SOLOMON, 

AND ALSO FOR SURE HAVE A BIOLOGICAL FATHER???

IF AS YOU WELL SAID JESUS’DADDY IS ALSO

THE SPIRIT OF GOD, AND HE IS
 

A JEW,

THE TRUE ISRAELITE,

“THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD  MADE FLESH, AND THE SON OF GOD,

HERE IT COMES AGAIN:

HOW IS IT THEN THAT ACCORDING TO YOUR FEEBLE SPIRITUAL REASONING,

JESUS HAS NO CONNECTION TO

DAVID AND SOLOMON and also

NO BIOLOGICAL FATHER?

what kind of idiotic reasoning is this?!?!?

Exodus:4:22 And thou shalt say to him: Thus saith the Lord:

 Israel is my son, my firstborn.

ANSWER IF YOU HAVE THE GUTS:

ISN’T GOD,

THE FATHER OF ISRAEL???

AND IF GOD IS THE FATHER OF ISRAEL,

WHEN WITH THE SPIRIT OF GOD THOSE BONES WERE CLOTHED WITH SKIN, BECAME ALIVE, AN EXCEEDING GREAT ARMY, AND ALSO

THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, HERE IT COMES ONE MORE TIME:

MR. DT, DIDN’T AUTOMATICALLY  THOSE DRY BONES

MAKE GOD THEIR FATHER?

YOU: What does the Ezekiel passage of GOD raising a valley of dry bones have to do with being of the seed of David?

READ AGAIN THE ABOVE AND CHEW THE TRUTH!

MORE TO COME!

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi DT,

You: The most obvious “criteria” of the Messiah is his lineage and both Matthew and Luke say

Jesus’ daddy is the spirit and therefore

has no male biological connection to David and Solomon. 

 

DT, TO START WITH,

YOU JUST CONFIRMED HOW FEEBLE-MINDED PERSON SPIRITUALLY YOU ARE, WITH EVERY RESPECT, BY SAYING THAT GOD IS NOT IN THE POSITION TO PRODUCE A MERE CREATURE, NEVER MIND HIS SON, WITHOUT THE USE OF THE SPERM AND THE OVUM, NEVER MIND, MAN AND WOMAN.

YOUR REASONING ABOVE, IF IT IS PROPER TO CALL IT REASONING, IS THE CLEAREST EVIDENCE THAT YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN THE TRUE GOD OF ISRAEL, CREATOR OF ALL WHO IS OMNIPOTENT, ETC, ETC, ETC!

READ THE SCRIPTURE HEREUNDER,

Ezekiel 37:1 The hand of the Lord was upon me, and brought me forth in the spirit of the Lord: and set me down in the midst of a plain that was

full of bones.

 2And he led me about through them on every side: now they were very many upon the face of the plain, and they

were exceeding dry.

 3And he said to me: Son of man, dost thou think these bones shall live? And I answered: O Lord God, thou knowest. 4And he said to me: Prophesy concerning these bones; and say to them: Ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. 5Thus saith the Lord God to these bones:

Behold, I will send spirit into you,

and you shall live. 6And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to grow over you, and will cover you with skin:

and I will give you spirit and you shall live,

and you shall know that I am the Lord.

And he said to me:

Prophesy to the spirit, prophesy, O son of man, and say to the spirit:

Thus saith the Lord God:

Come, spirit, from the four winds,

and blow upon these slain, and let them live again. 

10And I prophesied as he had commanded me:

and the spirit came into them, and they lived:

and they stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

Now answer please:

DOES THIS EXCEEDING GREAT ARMY HAVE A BIOLOGICAL FATHER?

NOW READ THE NEXT VERSE:

And he said to me: Son of man:

All these bones are the house of Israel.. 

WHEN WILL YOU LEARN THE TRUTH? DT.

FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO GOD’S WORK, IT IS HIS SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE/EXISTENCE TO ALL OF HIS WORK, EVEN WHEN IT COMES TO

THE HUMAN BEING IN FLESH AND BLOOD!

ADAM LIVED IN HIS FLESH AFTER HE SINNED,

BUT FOR GOD HE WAS DEAD!

JESUS, “THE WORD” GOD’S SPIRIT MADE FLESH, THE SECOND ADAM DIED ON THE CROSS, BUT FOR GOD,

HE LIVED IN HIS SPIRIT THE HOLY GHOST IMMEDIATELY ON HIS DEATH,

HE LIVED GLORIFIED BOTH IN HIS SPIRIT AND IN HIS FLESH IN ONE 

GLORIFIED BODY AS

JESUS CHRIST, THE TRUE 

HERE IT COMES SWALLOW IT DOWN INTO YOUR GUTTS!

GODMAN ON EARTH!

1 John5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come:

and he hath given us understanding that we may know the true God,

and may be in his true Son.

This is the true God and life eternal

 

NOW LET’S START AND READ PLEASE:

Genesis 17:16 And I will bless her, and of her,

I WILL GIVE YOU A SON,…

DID YOU GET THAT?

GOD GAVE ABRAHAM A SON

Genesis 18:10 And he said to him:

I will return and come to thee at this time, life accompanying and Sara thy wife

SHALL HAVE A SON…..

SHOW ME WHERE IN SCRIPTURE WE READ THAT GOD RETURNED AND CAME TO ABRAHAM

IS GOD ALSO A LIAR???

Genesis 21:1 And the Lord VISITED SARAH

WHERE IS ABRAHAM MENTIONED?

HE WAS SUPPOSED TO RETURN AND COME TO ABRAHAM NO??? 

KEEP ON READING:

as he had promised:

and FULFILLED  what he had spoken.

2 And SHE CONCEIVED AND BORE A SON IN HER OLD AGE,

AT THE TIME THAT GOD HAD FORETOLD HER.

DT, I REPEAT:

ONLY GOD, AND IN A PARTICULAR AND MYSTERIOUS WAY SARAH,

ARE INVOLVED IN THE CONCEPTION AND BIRTH OF ISAAC!

NEITHER ABRAHAM NOR A MERE HINT OF A SEXUAL ACT IS MENTIONED.

I AM WAITING FOR YOUR FEEBLE SPIRITUAL PERCEPTION, WITH EVERY RESPECT!

MORE SCRIPTURE:

Genesis 18:11Now they were both old,

WHERE NOT ALSO BOTH OLD WHEN ISHMAEL WAS CONCEIVED AND BORN???

WHAT DOES “BOTH OLD” STAND FOR THEN?

and far advanced in years,

WHY EMPHATICALLY MENTIONED IN THE ABOVE??

and it had ceased to be with Sara after the manner of women.

12And she laughed secretly, saying: After I am GROWN OLD, and my lord is an OLD MAN,

shall I give myself to PLEASURE?

THUS, AGAIN IN THE ABOVE IS ASSERTED THAT BOTH ABRAM AND SARAI ARE INFERTILE, AND SEXUAL PLEASURE WAS DEAD. WELL HINTED OUT ALSO HEREUNDER BY PAUL,

FOR YOU A LIAR:

Romans 4:19 And he was not weak in faith;

neither did he consider his own body

NOW DEAD,

whereas he was almost a hundred years old,

nor THE DEAD womb of Sara.

NOW TELL ME USING ONLY SCRIPTURES,

WHAT CONVINCES YOU THEN, THAT ISAAC WAS BORN THROUGH A NORMAL SEXUAL LOVING ACT, AND ABRAHAM IS ISAAC’S BIOLOGICAL FATHER?

NOW TO MATTHEW ACCORDING TO YOU, ALSO A LIAR:

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham for our father.

For I tell you that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham.

WOULD YOU ACCEPT THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE THAT GOD CAN RAISE UP CHILDREN TO ABRAHAM OUT OF STONES,

NEVER MIND, MAN, WOMAN, SEX, SPERM, AND OVUM?

 

NOW ANSWER THIS ONE:

ARE THE ABOVE CHILDREN NORMAL HUMANS, OR ALSO

DEMIGODS???

NOW, TO THIS SCRIPTURE PLEASE:

Isaiah 66: 7 Before she was in labour,

she brought forth;

before her time came to be delivered,

she brought forth a man-child.

8Who hath ever heard such a thing?

and who hath seen the like to this?

ATTENTION NOW READ THE LAST VERSE:

shall the earth bring forth in

ONE DAY?

NOW JUST READ IT AGAIN:

Genesis 21:1 And the Lord VISITED SARA, as he had promised:

and FULFILLED  what he had spoken.

2 And SHE CONCEIVED AND BORE A SON IN HER OLD AGE,

AT THE TIME THAT GOD HAD FORETOLD HER.

The last verse is as clear as a crystal:

AT THE TIME THAT GOD FORETOLD HER,

PRECISELY, ATTENTION PLEASE:

ON THE SAME DAY THAT GOD VISITED SARAH!

DT, ISN’T THAT, WHAT SARAH EXPERIENCED???

“IN ONE DAY”,

WHEN GOD VISITED HER,

AS HE HAD PROMISED, 

FULFILLED WHAT HE HAD SPOKEN TO ABRAHAM, 

AND “SARAH CONCEIVED AND BORE A SON” IN HER OLD AGE?

IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE OUT OF NOWHERE!!!

HERE THIS NOW:

IN THE SAME WAY ABLE WAS BORN,

IN THE BEGINNING OF CREATION,

JESUS WAS ALSO BORN

IN THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW CREATION!

WHILE ISAAC WAS ALSO BORN

IN THE BEGINNING OF THE ETERNAL COVENANT!

THE BEGINNING OF REDEMPTION BY JESUS. SINCE ALL IN/BY HIM!!!

DT, THREE BEGINNINGS ALL ACCOMPLISHED BY

 “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN,  ALL IN/BY HIM!

A PREEXISTED SPIRIT,  SIMPLY

TO MAINTAIN HIS PRIMACY!

THE BEGINNING, THE FIRST, AND THE LAST OF ALL GOD’S WORK!

Rev. 1:17 And when I had seen him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying:

Fear not. I am the First and the Last,

18 And alive, and was dead, and behold I am living forever and ever, and have the keys of death and of hell.

NOW THE ONLY SCRIPTURE WE READ THAT IN A WAY TELLS US THAT GOD “RETURNED” AND “CAME” ENIGMATICALLY TO ABRAHAM IS PRECISELY

ON ISAAC’S BIRTH, AND IN ISAAC HIMSELF:

HOW AND IN WHAT WAY GOD CAME TO ABRAHAM IN ISAAC HIMSELF AND BECAME

SARAH’S LAUGHTER!

READ NOW HEREUNDER PLEASE:

Genesis 21:6 And Sara said:

God hath MADE “A LAUGHTER” for “ME”:

WHAT WOULD YOU MAKE OUT OF SARAH’S DECLARATION THAT

GOD MADE A LAUGHTER FOR HER,

WHEN ISAAC WAS BORN AND GIVEN TO SARAH OUT OF NOWHERE WITHIN HER

BARE HANDS???

WHAT DID SARAH DO?

I TELL YOU:

WITHOUT A SINGLE DOUBT SARAH

LAUGHED, LAUGHED, AND LAUGHED!

LET’S READ A BIT MORE:

Genesis 21:6…… whosoever shall HEAR OF IT will LAUGH WITH ME.

I BET YOU ARE ALSO LAUGHING RIGHT NOW DT. NO???

AND HOW!!!

SPIRITUALLY FEEBLE MINDED!!! WITH EVERY RESPECT!!!

CONSIDERING THE PAIN, THE BLOOD, AND GOD KNOWS WHAT THROUGHOUT THE MONTHS OF PREGNANCY AND BIRTH, EVERY NORMAL WOMAN OF THIS WORLD EXPERIENCED EVERY BIRTH THEY HAD.

AREN’T YOU CONVINCED YET THAT ISAAC’S BIRTH WAS NOT IN ANY WAY,

A NORMAL BIRTH THROUGH A SEXUAL LOVING ACT OF THIS MORTAL, CURSED, AND SATANIC WORLD? 

UNLESS YOU ALSO ACCEPT THAT ALMIGHTY GOD,

TO ESTABLISH HIS “GENUINE” ETERNAL COVENANT WOULD HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO SATAN AND HIS CURSED AND FILTHY WAYS!!!

WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!!! WHY MAY I ASK:

FIRST, THE ETERNAL COVENANT, FUNDAMENTALLY GOD’S GENUINE  PLAN FOR REDEMPTION,

WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN GENUINELY DIVINE,

AND SECOND,

GOD WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN ALMIGHTY AT ALL WOULD HE?

THE FACT THAT GOD ESTABLISHED HIS UNIQUE GENUINE ETERNAL COVENANT IN ISAAC’S CONCEPTION AND BIRTH, ATTENTION NOW PLEASE AGAIN:

DESPITE SARAH’S PARTICIPATION, NEVERTHELESS, THROUGHOUT DIVINE, AGAIN BY:

 “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, A PREEXISTING SPIRIT, WHO MAINTAINED HIS PRIMACY AND BECAME 

BOTH THE FIRSTBORN IN ISAAC ‘S SOUL AND HIS CREATOR ON HIS CONCEPTION. HERE IT COMES CHEW:

THE GOD OF ISAAC! 

AS MUCH AS HE ALSO WAS SPIRITUALLY THE FIRSTBORN IN ABRAM’S CONCEPTION AND BIRTH, IN HIS MOTHER’S WOMB:

HERE IT COMES AGAIN:

THE GOD OF ABRAHAM!!!

“BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS BORN I AM”

THE FIRST PATRIARCH!

AS MUCH AS WELL HE ALSO WAS IN REBECCAS’ WOMB, CONCEIVED AND CREATED

JACOB AND BECAME 

THE TRUE ISRAEL! ATTENTION PLEASE:

BOTH

THE GOD OF JACOB and

THE GOD OF ISRAEL!

Now back to

Isaiah 66:9 SHALL NOT I that make others to bring forth children,

myself bring forth, saith the Lord?

SHALL I, that give generation to others,

be barren, saith the Lord thy God?

NOW DO YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD, A SPIRIT,  IN ORDER TO FULFILL WHAT HE SAID ABOVE DID SO IN THE SAME WAY AS HUMANS DO, I MEAN

THROUGH SEX?

THROUGH MAN, WOMAN, AND THEIR FILTHY WAY, TO BRING FORTH CHILDREN?

JUST READ WHAT GOD ASSERTED IN

Isaiah 55: 8For my thoughts are not your thoughts:

 NOR YOUR WAYS MY WAYS, saith the Lord.

You: The most obvious “criteria” of the Messiah is his lineage and both Matthew and Luke say Jesus’ daddy is the spirit and therefore

has no male biological connection to David and Solomon. 

DT, WHETHER YOU ACCEPT IT OR NOT IT’S YOUR PIGEON!

ISAAC, ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURE AVAILABLE, AND CONCERNING YOUR REASONING,

SPECIFICALLY HAD NO BIOLOGICAL FATHER AS HUMANS HAVE THROUGH SEX.

WHICH MEANS THAT SINCE THE ENTIRE JEWISH PEOPLE, “THE ISRAELITES”, ARE DESCENDANTS OF ISAAC, ARE NOT GENUINELY 100% HUMANS OF EARTH, THROUGH SEX, SATANIC IN THOSE DAYS, BUT, I REPEAT

ACCORDING TO YOU,

THEY ARE ALL LIKE JESUS,

A TYPE OF DEMIGODS!!!

THE FACT THAT THEY ARE AFTER ALL GOD’S ONLY UNIQUE ONE OF A KIND

CHOSEN PEOPLE! NO?

Genesis 17:19 And God said to Abraham: Sara thy wife shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name Isaac, and I will establish my covenant with him for a PERPERTUAL covenant, and with his seed after him.

21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac,

whom Sara shall bring forth to thee at this time in the next year.

ISAAC:

BOTH A SON OF GOD, SPIRITUALLY,

IN ISAAC’S SOUL,

OF THE HOLY GHOST,

AND A SON OF SARAH,

CARNALLY, IN ISAAC’S FLESH,

OF “THE WORD” MADE FLESH ,

JESUS, THE SON OF MAN.

WELL HINTED OUT IN

John4:36 And HE THAT REAPETH  receiveth wages,

and gathereth fruit unto life everlasting:

that both HE THAT SOWETH, and, HE THAT REAPETH  may rejoice TOGETHER.

TOGETHER ON JESUS’ DEATH IN JESUS CHRIST

GODMAN ON EARTH

37 For in this is the saying true:

That it is ONE MAN THAT SOWETH, and it is another that REPEATH.

John 4:22 You adore that which you know not: we adore that which we know;

for SALVATION is of the Jews.

SALVATION PRECISELY INITIATED PHYSICALLY ON

THE CONCEPTION AND BIRTH OF ISAAC,

THROUGHOUT DIVINE!

IN “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, ALL IN/BY HIM:

THE BEGINNING OF THE ETERNAL COVENANT.

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God,

the firstborn of every creature:

 16For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers:

all things were created by him and in him. 

17And he is before all, and by him all things consist.

 18And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead;

that in all things he may hold the primacy: 

19Because in him, it hath well pleased the Father,

that all fullness should dwell; 

20And through him to reconcile all things unto himself, making peace through the blood of his cross, both as to the things that are on earth, and the things that are in heaven.

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

[carmel]

 

Hi DT and all,

I did discuss the case of Isaac’s birth well back on this thread with Jodi once.

FINALLY THANKS TO THE HOLY SPIRIT I AM BACK TO ANSWER YOUR SPIRITUALLY DEAD POST IN GENERAL.

TODAY IS THE FEAST OF THE PENTECOST AND I AM MORE THAN CONVINCED THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT FURNISHED ME WITH MORE LIGHT, AND I AM IN THE POSITON TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL, MORE HIDDEN DETAILS ASSOCIATED WITH ONE OF THE MOST MYSTERIOUS AND MIRACULOUS BIRTH OF THE OT; THE BIRTH OF ISAAC OF THE HOLY GHOST. THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW ETERNAL COVENANT!

FIRST, A BIRTH THAT FOR SURE FORESHADOWS THE UNIQUE BIRTH IN HUMAN HISTORY OF OUR LORD JESUS,

IN MANY WAYS,

SECOND, IT ALSO SHEDS LIGHT ON A SIMILAR BIRTH, PRECISELY  ALSO  A BEGINNING, THE FIRST-EVER ENIGMATIC BIRTH IN HUMAN HISTORY; THE BIRTH OF ABEL, THE GOOD,

THE FIRST-EVER FIRSTBORN SOUL,

BORN OF THE HOLY GHOST THROUGH ADAM, AND NOTHING ACCREDITED TO SEX AND FLESH AND BLOOD. PRECISELY MARRED WITH THE BIRTH OF CAIN, THE EVIL, THE FIRST-EVER FIRSTBORN CHILD CURSED OF THE FLESH AND BLOOD ACCREDITED ENTIRELY TO SEX!!  ACCORDING TO SATAN, THE LIAR, THROUGH HIS EVIL SPIRIT, OF THE SATANICALLY  CONTAMINATED WOMAN/MOTHER EVE!

JUST REFLECT:

CAIN AND ABEL WERE BOTH FIRST-BORN SONS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE ROLES.

ISHMAEL AND ISAAC ALSO WERE BOTH FIRST-BORN SONS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE ROLES.

CAIN/SATAN KILLED ABEL!!

THE FLESH KILLED THE SOUL.

WE DO JUST THAT AS WELL! WE PLEASE THE FLESH AND IGNORE/KILL OUR SOUL!! 

ABRAHAM ALMOST KILLED ISAAC!!

THE FLESH AGAIN ALMOST KILLED ISAAC THE SOUL!

DID SATAN PROTEST WHO IN TRUTH THE FIRST-BORN SON WAS BETWEEN ISAAC AND ISHMAEL?

ONLY ISAAC WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN/UNIQUE/ONE-OF-A-KIND FIRST-BORN SON.

IN WHAT WAY UNIQUE?

Genesis 21:9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, MOCKING. 

MOCKING???  AT WHAT???

AT ISAAC! NO???

THAT’S ENOUGH OF THAT FOR NOW!

NOW TO YOUR POST, DT:

You: Nowhere is it written Abraham had ED; created in your mind.

Me: THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR AND TRUE EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU, DT, INDIRECTLY NOT ONLY CONTRADICT YOUR STATEMENTS BUT ALSO IN THE SAME INSTANT WITH YOUR OWN WORDS  INDICATE WHAT THE TRUE MESSAGE OUGHT TO BE, UNFORTUNATELY, A MESSAGE  THAT YOU ARE NEVER  IN THE POSITION NOT JUST TO DISCERN ITS TRUTH, BUT AS I ALREADY MADE CLEAR,

NOT EVEN IN THE POSITION TO SMELL IT, NEVER MIND ACCEPT IT. THUS:

WHY DIDN’T YOU PRODUCE THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS CLEARLY THAT ABRAHAM HAD SEX WITH SARAH IN ISAAC’S CONCEPTION? OBVIOUSLY,

FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT IT DOES NOT EXIST AT ALL.

NOW TO THE TRUTH:

You: Nowhere is it written Abraham had ED; created in your mind.

ME: Nowhere is it written Abraham had sex with Sarah

CREATED IN YOUR MIND.

NOW READ HEREUNDER:

Genesis 18:11Now they were BOTH OLD, and far advanced in years,

and IT HAD CEASED to be with Sara AFTER THE MANNER OF WOMEN.

WHEN READING JUST THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE IT SHOWS, THAT THERE’S MORE WRITTEN, THOUGH HIDDEN, THAT SPECIFICALLY INDICATES THAT GOD’S WILL AFTER ISHMAEL’S CONCEPTION WAS, THAT ABRAM MUST HAVE ED!

THE FACT THAT NOWHERE SPECIFICALLY IS IT WRITTEN THAT ABRAHAM HAD NOT.

WHY YOU MAY ASK, ABRAM MUST HAVE HAD ED BEFORE ISAAC’S CONCEPTION???

LET’S START WITH PAUL’S DECLARATION, ACCORDING TO YOU A LIAR,

Romans 4:19And being not weak in faith,

he considered not his own body NOW DEAD,

when he was about a HUNDRED years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara’s womb:

HOW COME AND IN WHAT WAY ABRAM CONSIDERED HIS BODY DEAD???

DESPITE BEING A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, CONSIDERING JUST HIS FATHER TERAH WHO WAS 130 WELL OVER THAT AGE, HE STILL ENJOYED SEX WHEN HE CONCEIVED ABRAM.  

IT STANDS TO REASON THEN,  THAT NOT ONLY ABRAM HAD ED.

BUT FOR SURE THE ONLY WAY FOR HIM TO HAVE HIS UNIQUE BEGOTTEN ONE-OF-A-KIND  SON WAS BY GOD’S PROVIDENCE THROUGHOUT! NO???

You: Still no evidence, except in your mind, that God was the one who impregnated Sarah.

Me: YOU KEEP ON REPEATING THE SAME USELESS CONNOTATIONS, SO  AGAIN, I REPEAT WHAT I SAID ABOVE;

THUS, EXCEPT FOR YOUR MIND, SPIRITUALLY DEAD, WITH EVERY RESPECT,

NO EVIDENCE THAT SAYS ABRAM WAS THE ONE WHO IMPREGNATED SARAH. WHICH INDIRECTLY PROVES, THAT ABRAM WAS SOMEHOW USELESS REGARDING SEX.

HE HAD ED!!!

More scriptures:

Genesis17:16….. of her I WILL GIVE YOU A SON,…

You: The words written in the pages of the bible are to be understood as they are written…

THERE YOU ARE, YOU’VE GOT IT WRITTEN IN BLACK ON WHITE NOW!

NEVERTHELESS; I BET, AS I SAID ABOVE ALSO, THAT YOU ARE NOT ONLY NOT READY TO ACCEPT IT, BUT NOT EVEN ABLE TO SMELL IT!

READ AGAIN AND DON’T IGNORE

THE SPIRITUAL REPRODUCTIVE PROCESS OF GOD, THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT,

THE TRUTH, NOTHING ASSOCIATED WITH SEX, AND FLESH AND BLOOD,

ACCREDITED TO THE BIRTH OF

THE SOUL OF ISAAC, BORN OF THE HOLY GHOST.

THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW ETERNAL COVENANT

DIRECTLY AND ENTIRELY FROM THE ONLY TRUE GOD!

LET’S READ AGAIN:

Genesis17:16….. of her

 I WILL GIVE YOU A SON,…

IF ACCORDING TO YOU, GOD INTENDED TO HAVE ISAAC BORN IN ANY WAY THROUGH SEX  OR WITH SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS MORTAL WORLD, CONSIDERING,  HE, CREATOR OF ALL, IS LIFE, AND ETERNAL, IT’S NOT ONLY PURE NONSENSE BUT ALSO IT WOULD HAVE MADE GOD FOR SURE SUBJECT TO SATAN, AGAIN PURE NONSENSE SINCE  THE WORLD AND ITS ENTIRE PROCESS WAS CURSED, WHILE GOD AIMED TO ESTABLISH HIS GENUINE SPIRITUAL PLAN FOR REDEMPTION.  I REPEAT AND MAKE IT CLEAR; NOTHING OF  THIS CORRUPTED WORLD, HENCE,  STILL TO BE REDEEMED,  PRECISELY BY THE ETERNAL COVENANT IN ISAAC ATTRIBUTED TO GOD’S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON JESUS,

 “THE FATHER’S WORD” MADE FLESH, THE SON OF MAN, PRECISELY PREEXISTED  AS A SPIRIT, WHO CONCEIVED ISAAC, AND MAINTAINED HIS PRIMACY, AS THE BEGINNING OF THE ETERNAL COVENANT EMBODIED IN ISACC! I REPEAT “THE WORD” MADE FLESH.

THUS, GIVEN ALL THE ABOVE, IF GOD INTENDED TO MAKE THE LEAST USE OF THIS WORLD IN ANY WAY, GOD COULD HAVE SAID AT LEAST SOMETHING LIKE THIS:

AND I WILL BLESS HER, AND

“SHE WILL GIVE BIRTH TO YOUR SON”,

THE ABOVE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE APPROPRIATE, NO?

NOW LET’S READ AGAIN WHAT GOD, FOR SURE SPIRITUALLY INTENDED AND GENUINELY DIVINE SAID AND MEANT:

“OF HER”  

BY WHAT PROCESS “OF HER” MAY I ASK, SINCE GOD AND ONLY GOD CREATOR OF ALL IS THE PROVIDER!

WELL CLEAR HEREUNDER???

“I WILL GIVE YOU A SON”!!!

WHERE IS ABRAHAM MENTIONED, ACCORDING TO YOU FERTILE???

IN THE ABOVE, GOD ON HIS OWN WAS THE FATHER/MOTHER OF ISAAC!!!

“I WILL GIVE YOU A SON” EVIDENTLY REVEALS TO ABRAHAM THAT PHYSICALLY AND SEXUALLY,

HE AND EVEN HIS WIFE IN A WAY WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ISAAC’S CONCEPTION AND BIRTH AT ALL.

THUS, TO MAKE THINGS CLEAR AND GIVE IT TO YOU WITH A SPOON, THE ABOVE

 “OF HER”

HAS NOTHING TO DO NEITHER WITH SARAH BEING PREGNANT IN ANY WAY AND BY ANY MAN, NOR WITH HER GIVING BIRTH IN THE SAME WAY WOMEN OF THIS SATANIC MORTAL WORLD DO,

AND ALSO WITHOUT PAIN, BLOOD, AND GOD KNOWS WHAT.

Now to:

Genesis 18:10 And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.

…..SHALL HAVE A SON????

DT, MEN TODAY ARE IN THE POSITION TO ALSO HAVE SONS,

WITHOUT HAVING WOMEN!!!

ATTENTION PLEASE, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT’S YOUR PIGEON!!!

GOD, TO MAKE SARAH MOTHER OF NATIONS IN ISAAC,

MADE USE OF HER USELESS MORTAL BODY AS MUCH AS THE RAYS OF THE SUN MAKE USE OF A WINDOW PANE AND ENTER INTO A ROOM!!!

NOW READ HEREUNDER:

Isaiah54:1 GIVE praise, O thou barren, that bearest not: sing forth praise, and make a joyful noise,

 thou that DIDST NOT TRAVAIL with child:

for many are the children of the DESOLATE,

 more than of her that hath a husband, saith the Lord.

DID YOU GET THAT? I’M AFRAID NOT!!!

IT CLEARLY AND EQUIVALENTLY SAYS THAT

SARAH NEVER HAD A HUSBAND ASSOCIATED PHYSICALLY WITH ISAAC’S BIRTH!

AS HE HAD ED!!!

 

MORE TO COME!

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[carmel]

Hi DT,

You:

   Me: I TELL YOU, NOTHING OF FLESH AT ALL!

You: You don’t tell me much of anything except foolishness.

ME: I ALREADY MADE CLEAR ABOUT YOUR WISDOM, READ AGAIN WHAT I TOLD YOU IN MY POST 946297

INSTEAD, YOU OPTED TO PLAY WITH WORDS,

 WHICH PROVES THAT YOU ARE NOT EVEN SMELLING THE TRUTH,

THE FACT THAT YOU ARE AS YOU PROCLAIM YOURSELF YOU ARE

 “DESIRETRUTH”

 

I NEVER EXPECTED THAT YOU EVER PERCEIVE GOD’S SPIRITUAL WORK AT ALL! MY ONLY INTEREST IS TO USE YOU FOR THE SAKE OF OTHERS MORE ENLIGHTENED THAN YOU ARE!

SCRIPTURE!

1 Corinthians 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize,

but to preach the gospel:

not in wisdom of speech, lest the cross of Christ should be made void.

18 For the word of the cross, to them indeed that perish,

is foolishness;

but to them that are saved, that is, to us, it is the power of God.

19For it is written: I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the prudence of the prudent I will reject.

20Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world?

Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 

21For seeing that in the wisdom of God the world,

by wisdom, knew not God, it pleased God,

by the foolishness of our preaching, to save them that believe. 

22For both the Jews require signs, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 

23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock,

and unto the Gentiles foolishness:

24 But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks,

Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

 

25For the foolishness of God is wiser than men;

and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26For see your vocation, brethren,

that there are not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble:

 27But the foolish things of the world hath God chosen,

that he may confound the wise;

and the weak things of the world hath God chosen,

that he may confound the strong.

 28And the base things of the world, and the things that are contemptible, hath God chosen,

and things that are not, that he might bring to nought things that are: 

29 That no flesh should glory in his sight.

30But of him are you in Christ Jesus,

who of God is made unto us wisdom, and justice, and sanctification, and redemption:

31That, as it is written: He that glorieth, may glory in the Lord.

 

You: This has to be one of the most obtuse statements I have read recently;

you really don’t know about reproduction do you,

a man continues to produce sperm until the day they die.

This is biological fact that is easily found with any simple search.

 

WHEN WILL YOU LEARN GOD’S WORK???

FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO GOD AND HIS SPIRITUAL WORK, 

IT IS HIS SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE/ EXISTENCE TO ALL HIS ENTIRE WORK!

HUMAN SPERM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD’S REPRODUCTIVE PROCESS AT ALL!

HE DETERMINES WHO WILL BE

REPRODUCTIVE OR NOT! 

Me: THIS HAS TO BE  THE MOST OBTUSE STATEMENTS I READ THROUGHOUT MY EXISTENCE AS A

“PERFECT MAN” REGARDING REPRODUCTION!

YOU REALLY DON’T KNOW ABOUT REPRODUCTION DO YOU???????

NEVER MIND GOD’S SPIRITUAL TASK AND WORK READ:

Isaiah 55:11 For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9For as the heavens are exalted above the earth,

so are my ways exalted above your ways,

and my thoughts above your thoughts.

10And as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and return no more thither, but soak the earth, and water it, and make it to spring, and give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:

11So shall my word be,

which shall go forth from my mouth:

it shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please,

and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.

12For you shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace:

the mountains and the hills shall sing praise before you,

and all the trees of the country shah clap their hands.

DID YOU EVER HEARD THE ABOVE FOOLISHNESS Mr. DEIRETRUTH????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

 

13Instead of the shrub,

shall come up the fir tree,

and instead of the nettle,

shall come up the myrtle tree:

and the Lord shall be named for an everlasting sign,

that shall not be taken away.

HOW ABOUT THE ABOVE DID YOU GET IT!

I AM RUNNING OUT OF SPOONS:

IS THE ABOVE ALSO FOOLISHNESS Mr. DEIRETRUTH????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

NOW TO YOUR SPECIFIC WISDOM:

You: a man continues to produce sperm until the day they die.

WE ARE DISCUSSING REPRODUCTION IN FULL!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Where did you come up with that NONSENSE!??!?!

THAT’S ONLY THE PROCESS OF THE REPRODUCTION OF

THE USELESS HUMAN SPERM!!!! 

SUBJECT TO GOD’S WORK THROUGHOUT!

Mr. DESIRETRUTH! HERE I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU WITH ANOTHER SPOON, AND AS I SAID:

 I BETTER GET MORE SPOONS AS I RAN OUT OF THEM!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

A MAN CAN PRODUCE AS MUCH AS LITERS OF SPERM AS HE IS CAPABLE OF BUT IT IS OF NO USE AT ALL FIRST AND FOREMOST IT HAS TO BE  PERFECTLY FERTILE, AND SECOND  THE MAN MUST NOT SUFFER FROM:

ED. 

ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION: MR. DT!

SUBJECT TO GOD! 

THE FACT THAT, ANOTHER SPOON FOR YOU, THE LAST ONE I’M AFRAID:

ABRAHAM,  FELL ON HIS FACE not once but

TWICE, AND IN THE LAST ONE HE EVEN 

LAUGHED……

THE FACT THAT HIS/GOD’S SON WAS NAMED BY GOD!!!!!

ISAAC!

Genesis 17:3 And Abram fell on his face:…

Genesis 17: 17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed,… 

NOW READ AND LEARN PLEASE:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/erectile-dysfunction

What is erectile dysfunction (ED)?
Erectile dysfunction is defined as the persistent inability to achieve or maintain penile erection sufficient for satisfactory sexual performance. 

 

ME: I am the Almighty God: walk before me,

THE ABOVE DECLARATION FROM GOD ALMIGHTY, PRECISELY THE ONLY TIME GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF SAID AND CALLED HIMSELF SO AND MADE CLEAR TO ABRAM,

ME: NOW READ IN HOW DESPERATE  YOUR STATE IS WITH YOUR USELESS REASONOINING!

Me: Except God said it in Gen 35:11 to Jacob and in Ex 6:3 speaking to Moses.

WHAT’S THAT GOT TO DO WITH WHAT I ASSERTED MR. DESIRETRUTH!

PLAYING WITH USELESS WORDS!

YOU ARE A WASTE OF TIME!!!!

You: Haven’t forgotten, still waiting for how Jesus, conceived of the spirit, could possibly be the Messiah when he doesn’t fulfill the simple requirement of being of the seed (biological descendent) of David and Solomon. Or how Jesus’ lineage can go through Jeconiah, who God said was to be remembered as childless. Tic-Tok

Me: I AM NOT FINISHED YET!

Me: PLEASE BE!!!

YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT ONLY  BLIND!

BUT DEAD!

JUST READ AGAIN WHAT I SAID IN THE POST #946209

Mary’s husband Joseph, who was Heli’s son-in-law,

became Heli’s legal son to continue Heli’s family line.

The point of all of this is that in the culture of ancient Israel, inheritance from father to son was so significant and essential that,

FOR ALL LEGAL INTENTS AND PURPOSES,
Jesus was Joseph’s son,

even if He was not Joseph’s biological son.

Then there’s also the case of a stepson who took on

the LEGAL status of his stepfather.

Hence: Jesus can be recognized as

“Solomon’s son”
through Jesus’ step-father, Joseph.

Matthew’s purpose is to prove to the Jews that Jesus is the Messiah. The Jews would have recognized from this genealogical list that Jesus had

the LEGAL right to inherit the throne of David.
Luke’s purpose was just to show from Mary’s genealogy that she came from the blood-line of David which showed that

Jesus was a BLOOD-LINE descendant of David.

The scepter and throne of David and Solomon, descendants of Judah, will come to the

Messiah Jesus, who will rule and reign forever:

The scepter and throne are Jesus’ legal inheritance, through his earthly paternal lineage.

But for YOU who has a problem with Jesus’ not being a biological descendant of Solomon, through Joseph,

the scepter also is Jesus’ biological inheritance, since

He is a direct descendant of King David,

through his maternal lineage.
You: I know, my questions are meant to be ignored

???????????????????

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[carmel]

Hi DT,

You: @Carmel,
Me: I REPEAT WHAT I SAID IN MY POST: 946277 TRUTH HURTS!!!!

You: You have to present truth first.

ME: HERE COMES THE PURE TRUTH, AND YOU HAVE TO START

CHEWING GOD’S SPIRITUAL WORDS AND WORK:

I TELL YOU, NOTHING OF FLESH AT ALL!

Genesis 17:1 And after he began to be ninety and nine years old, the Lord appeared to him: and said unto him:

IF GOD WANTED THAT ABRAM IMPREGNATES SARAI, 

WHY DID HE WAIT FOR ABRAM TO BE NINETY-NINE, AND NOT BEFORE WHEN HE WAS DEFINITELY FERTILE, THE FACT THAT ABRAM IMPREGNATED HAGAR?

I am the Almighty God: walk before me,

THE ABOVE DECLARATION FROM GOD ALMIGHTY, PRECISELY THE ONLY TIME GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF SAID  AND CALLED HIMSELF SO AND MADE CLEAR  TO ABRAM,

CONFIRMS THAT ABRAM WAS NOT FERTILE ANYMORE, 

KEEP ON READING MR. DESIRETRUTH, TOTALLY SPIRITUALLY BLIND AND CARNALLY STAGNATED WITH EVERY RESPECT!

and be perfect.

READ AGAIN WHAT GOD IN THIS INSTANT SAID TO ABRAM

I AM GOD ALMIGHTY….

BE PERFECT!

JUST CLEAR YOUR CORRUPTED MIND FOR A CHANGE AND SEE THINGS FROM

GOD’S SPIRITUAL PERSPECTIVE!

WHAT HAPPENED TO ABRAM ONCE GOD ALMIGHTY PRONOUNCED THOSE PRECISE WORDS?

I MEAN:

BE PERFECT!!!!

ONLY GOD IS PERFECT AND NO ONE ON THIS PLANET COULD EVER BE PERFECT!

NOW SINCE YOU WANT THINGS GIVEN TO YOU WITH A SPOON,

GOD MADE ABRAM PERFECT IN THAT PRECISE MOMENT IN TIME

MR. DESIRETRUTH!

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?

NO, YOU DON’T I’M AFRAID SO I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU WITH A SPOON AGAIN:

GOD MADE ABRAM FERTILE AGAIN,

AND AT THE SAME TIME, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN HIS PERFECTION,

FOR GOD’S UNIQUE WORK OF THE ETERNAL COVENANT IN HIS FIRSTBORN SON ISAAC, MADE IT CLEAR TO ABRAM NOT TO  HAVE SEX AGAIN, WITH ANYONE, NOT EVEN WITH SARAI, NEVER MIND HE IMPREGANTES SARAH, 

TILL HIS /GOD’S FIRSTBORN SON, ISAAC BE BORN!

THE FACT THAT ISAAC’S NAME WAS GIVEN BY GOD AND WAS NEVER CHANGED LIKE IN THE CASE OF ABRAM, SARAI, AND JACOB! GOT IT MR. DESIRETRUTH!!! NOW ATTENTION PLEASE: HERE IT COMES MORE  TRUTH AND CHEW

MR. DESIRETRUTH!

2And I will make my covenant between me and thee:

DID YOU GET THAT??? NO, YOU DON’T I’M AFRAID!! READ AGAIN 

I WILL ……. BETWEEN ME AND YOU: NOW TO THE END OF GOD’S WORDS!!!

and I will multiply thee exceedingly.

ANSWER PLEASE:

IS THERE EVEN A MERE INDICATION OF SEXUAL REFERENCE IN THE ABOVE STATEMENT BY GOD ALMIGHTY? NOW ATTENTION AGAIN!

3 Abram fell flat on his face.

WHY MR. DEIRETRUTH,

ABRAM FELL FLAT ON HIS FACE!

HAVE YOU GOT ANY SUGGESTIONS, THAT IF ABRAM AT THAT PRECISE MOMENT IN TIME WAS IN THE POSITION TO HAVE SEX WOULD HE ALSO FALL FLAT ON HIS FACE?

YES OR NO PLEASE!!!

KEEP ON READING AND CHEW:

4And God said to him:

I AM,

and my covenant is with thee,

and thou shalt be a father. of many nations.

HERE IT COMES THE PURE TRUTH!

5Neither shall thy name be called anymore Abram:

but thou shalt be called Abraham:

because I HAVE MADE YOU THEE A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS.

DT, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT  IT’S YOUR PIGEON,

SATAN BELIEVED THAT HE ANTICIPATED GOD ALMIGHTY, AND MADE ISHMAEL ABRAM’S  ONLY FIRSTBORN, AS IMMEDIATELY AFTER HE HAD SEX WITH THE SATANIC HAGAR HE BECAME INFERTILE!

GOD ASSERTED ABRAM, AND THE FIRST THING HE SAID TO HIM WAS

ATTENTION PLEASE

BE PERFECT!

PERFECT REGARDING REPRODUCTION,

BUT NOT AS ABRAM ANYMORE BUT AS

ABRAHAM FOR GOD’S UNIQUE WORK OF HIS SON JESUS,

THE ETERNAL LIFE AND THE ETERNAL COVENANT IN ISAAC!

THE ONLY PATRIARCH THAT MAINTAINED HIS NAME!

KEEP ON READING PLEASE, ALWAYS THOUGH FROM GOD’S SPIRITUAL PERSPECTIVE!

And I will make thee increase, exceedingly, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee, and between thy seed after thee in their generations,

WHAT KIND OF SEED DID GOD REFER TO ABOVE, DON’T TELL ME

ABRAHAM’S SPERM FOR GOD’S SAKE!! READ WHAT GOD DECLARED:

by a perpetual covenant:

to be a God to thee, and to thy seed after thee. 

NOW READ 

Matthew 13:37 Who made answer and said to them:

He that soweth the good seed, is the Son of man. 

OK MR. DESIRETRUTH!

ABRAHAM SEED WAS “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, WHO CONCEIVED ABRAM IN HIS MOTHER’S WOMB!

TO MAINTAIN HIS PRIMACY,

THE FIRST AND THE BEGINNING OF GOD’S WORK!

John 8: 58 BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS BORN:

I AM

MORE TRUTH AND HIDDEN MYSTERIES!

8And I will give to thee, and to thy seed,

the land of thy sojournment,

all the land of Chanaan for a perpetual possession,

and I will be their God.

NOW HERE COMES SOMETHING THAT YOU NEVER BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND

BLOCKED IN YOUR MIND ONLY IN THE PHYSICAL PERSPECTIVE! 

MORTAL!!!

ANSWER PLEASE:

WHAT IS FROM GOD’S SPIRITUAL PERSPECTIVE:

THE LAND OF THY SOJOURNMENT!

IN THE TRUTH IS????

DON’T BOTHER TO REPLY:

I AM NOT FINISHED YET!

 

 

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[carmel]

Hi DT,

You: The question still stands, how can Jesus be the messiah when his biological father isn’t of the line of David, the line of Solomon, or a descendant of Abraham;

when Jesus’ “father” is the spirit?

I REPEAT WHAT I SAID IN MY POST: 946277

TRUTH HURTS!!!!

ME: SO IS THAT HOW YOU BELIEVE IN A GOD WHO IS OMNIPOTENT???

YOU SIMPLY CONCLUDED THAT GOD IS NOT CAPABLE OF BEING HIMSELF THE BIOLOGICAL FATHER OF HIS SON IN THE LINE OF DAVID, THE LINE OF SOLOMON, OR A DESCENDANT OF ABRAHAM, EVEN WITHOUT THE LEAST INVOLVEMENT OF THE SEXUAL REPRODUCTIVE PROCESS OF THIS SATANIC WORLD!

AM I RIGHT???

DT. GET THIS INTO YOUR CORRUPTED WORLDLY WISDOM ONCE AND FOR ALL!

THAT FLESH AND ITS PROCESS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD’S WORK,

IT IS HIS SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE/EXISTENCE TO ALL HIS WORK!

Jeremiah:27Behold I am the Lord the God of all flesh: shall anything be hard for me?

Me:: IS ISAAC BORN THROUGH NORMAL HUMAN INTERCOURSE?

You: Why do you keep placing the Creator of all on the same level as fake Greek and Roman gods who impregnate mortal women?

IF YOU REALLY ARE “A DESIRETRUTH”,  IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE APPROPRIATE  TO SAY A MERE

YES or NO!

INSTEAD, YOU OPTED TO PLAY WITH WORDS, WHICH PROVES THAT YOU ARE NOT EVEN SMELLING THE TRUTH, THE FACT THAT YOU ARE AS YOU PROCLAIM YOURSELF YOU ARE

 “DESIRETRUTH”

You: Again read chapter 18 and 21 of Genesis and let your mind figure it out…

it’s not that hard.

Wait, you have yet to prove that it was the spirit of God who impregnated Sarah;

where is the scriptural evidence it wasn’t Abraham who got Sarah pregnant.

ME: WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE THAT IT WAS ABRAHAM WHO GOT SARAH PREGNANT?

THE FACT THAT YOU NEVER PRODUCED ANY!

You: After all, didn’t Abraham copulate with Hagar at the “ripe old age” of 86, baring him a son, Ishmael?

IT LOOKS TO ME THAT, THOUGH THERE IS SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE, THAT ABRAHAM COPULATED WITH HAGAR, THE FACT THAT YOU NEVER PRODUCED IT, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE

IT CONTRADICTS YOU!!!

SINCE THERE’S NOT EVEN A MERE SIMILAR HINT IN THE CASE OF ISAAC, IN FACT, THERE’S MORE  EVIDENCE NOT ONLY IN SCRIPTURE BUT ALSO IN JEWISH LITERATURE THAT ISAAC IS MORE A SON OF GOD THAN A SON OF BARAHAM!

So Abraham didn’t have a problem making babies ….

 YOUR COMMENT IS NOT JUSTIFIED! AFTER THE AFFAIR WITH HAGAR, THE LAST SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN SCRIPTURE BEFORE ISAAC’S DIVINE CONCEPTION.

You: Haven’t forgotten, still waiting for how Jesus,

conceived of the spirit, could possibly be the Messiah when he doesn’t fulfill the simple requirement of being of the seed (biological descendent) of David.

 

JUST READ WHAT I SAID IN THE POST #946209

Mary’s husband Joseph, who was Heli’s son-in-law,

became Heli’s legal son to continue Heli’s family line.

The point of all of this is that in the culture of ancient Israel, inheritance from father to son was so significant and essential that,

FOR ALL LEGAL INTENTS AND PURPOSES,
Jesus was Joseph’s son,

even if He was not Joseph’s biological son.

Then there’s also the case of a stepson who took on

 the LEGAL status of his stepfather.

Hence: Jesus can be recognized as

 “Solomon’s son”

through Jesus’ step-father, Joseph.

Matthew’s purpose is to prove to the Jews that Jesus is the Messiah. The Jews would have recognized from this genealogical list that Jesus had

the LEGAL right to inherit the throne of David.
Luke’s purpose was just to show from Mary’s genealogy that she came from the blood-line of David which showed that

Jesus was a BLOOD-LINE descendant of David.

The scepter and throne of David and Solomon, descendants of Judah, will come to the

Messiah Jesus, who will rule and reign forever:

The scepter and throne are Jesus’ legal inheritance, through his earthly paternal lineage.

But for YOU who has a problem with Jesus’ not being a biological descendant of Solomon, through Joseph,

the scepter also is Jesus’ biological inheritance, since

He is a direct descendant of King David,

 through his maternal lineage.

You: I know, my questions are meant to be ignored 

???????????????????

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[carmel]

Hi DT,

You:You then bring up Abraham and Sarah and presume in Gen 21:1 (which has nothing to do with the Messiah) 

MUSTN’T THE JEWISH MESSIAH BE A SON OF ABRAHAM???

 

 It would seem it is you who doesna’t believe in God’s power to open the womb of a barren woman.

Kind of like HE did for Rachael and Hagar.

Me: Just read what I suggested please again:

 

NOW TELL ME!

IS ISAAC BORN THROUGH NORMAL HUMAN INTERCOURSE,….

AGAIN I AM ONLY INTERESTED IN JEWISH LITERATURE IN GENERAL, NOT JUST SCRIPTURE OR IF YOU PREFER ONLY SCRIPTURE!

NOW PLEASE JUST LEAVE OUT YOUR COMMENTS FOR A WHILE AND

PRODUCE THE RELATIVE SCRIPTURE CONCERNING

HAGAR AND RACHAEL SO WE CAN VERIFY THE TRUTH.

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[carmel]

Hi DT,

You: We cannot forget it was the spirit is who impregnated Mary and NOT of the seed of David.

Once again, you are justifying lies.

TRUTH HURTS!!!!

ME: SO IS THAT HOW YOU BELIEVE IN A  GOD WHO IS OMNIPOTENT???

YOU HAVE FAITH AS MUCH AS THE MUSLIMS, IF NOT LESS, AS THEY BELIEVE THAT GOD CANNOT HAVE A SON SINCE HE HAS NOT A WOMAN!!

HA HA  HA  HA  HA HA .

YOU CAN REMAIN SILENT AS MUCH AS JODI DID.

THAT JUSTIFIES MY TRUTH!

NOW READ THIS:

Luke:3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of penance; and do not begin to say, We have Abraham for our father. For I say unto you,

that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham.

NOW BACK TO Isaac:

Genesis 18:9 And when they had eaten, they said to him:

Where is Sara thy wife?

He answered: Lo, she is in the tent. 

10And he said to him:

I will return and come to thee at this time,

life accompanying and Sara thy wife shall have a son. Which when Sara heard, she laughed behind the door of the tent.

 11Now they were both old, and far advanced in years, and it had ceased to be

with Sara after the manner of women. 

12And she laughed secretly, saying:

After I am grown old, and my lord is an old man,

shall I give myself to pleasure? 

13And the Lord said to Abraham: Why did Sera laugh, saying: Shall I who am an old woman bear a child indeed ? 

14Is there anything hard to God?

according to appointment I will return to thee at this same time, life accompanying,

and Sara shall have a son.

 

Genesis 21:1And the Lord visited Sara,

as he had promised:

and fulfilled what he had spoken. 

2And she conceived and bore a son in her old age,

at the time that God had foretold her.

I WILL NOT COMMENT AT ALL FOR NOW!

IT IS UP TO YOU THIS TIME TO

JUSTIFY THE TRUTH, OR ELSE

YOUR LIES!

WHICH EVER YOU PLEASE!

I AM WAITING!

MR.DISERTRUTH

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

[carmel]

Hi DT,

You: We cannot forget it was the spirit is who impregnated Mary and NOT of the seed of David. Once again, you are justifying lies.

Me: Let’s consider FOR THE TIME BEING, the discussion of Jesus’ genealogy BETWEEN US, as the SON OF MAN, ENDED IN A STALEMATE.

THUS FOR A CHANGE, I AM TACKLING THIS PROCESS, AS YOU HINTED OUT, FROM GOD’S SPIRIT PERSPECTIVE, MY SPECIALITY THANKS TO THE HOLY SPIRIT,  ALWAYS THOUGH, TO A CERTAIN LIMIT, AS  I’M AFRAID YOU ARE SPIRITUALLY BLIND, FOCUSSED ONLY ON THE CARNAL PROCESS OF THE JEWISH MESSIAH, WITH EVERY RESPECT.

NOW, I BELIEVE YOU ARE MORE FAMILIAR AND MATURE WITH JEWISH LITERATURE IN GENERAL, AGAIN TO KEEP REMINDING YOU, FOCUSSED ONLY ON THE CARNAL SIDE OF THINGS, CARNALLY MINDED!!!

NOW TELL ME!

IS ISAAC BORN THROUGH NORMAL HUMAN INTERCOURSE, IN THE THOSE DAYS, SATANIC?

AGAIN I AM ONLY INTERESTED IN JEWISH LITERATURE IN GENERAL, NOT JUST SCRIPTURE OR IF YOU PREFER ONLY SCRIPTURE!

ONE MORE QUESTION!

IS THE JEWISH MESSIAH AN ORDINARY HUMAN BEING, AND DIFFERENT IN ANY WAY, OR ALSO

THE SON OF GOD, LIKE JESUS IS?

[carmel]

Hi Jodi,

You: Carmel, I would bet that the only way that YOU SEE that I am contradicting myself or that YOU SEE that I am admitting what I deny, is if you are taking what I have said and are applying it to what YOU further believe and then pretend that I believe that too.

Me: Jodi, read again what you said:

“the WORD” is not a pre-existing Jesus

EXISTING BEFORE AND SPEAKING CREATION INTO EXISTENCE.

Colossians 1:15 For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers:

all things were created by him and in him.

16 And he is before all,

 and by him all things consist.

Jodi, just explain what the above scripture tells you

IN PLAIN CLEAR ENGLISH BLACK ON WHITE!

You: “The WORD” is God’s Spirit…..

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven,

the Son of man who is in heaven.

John 6:62 If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up

where he was before?

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth:

the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you,

are spirit and life.

YES Jodi, JESUS IS  “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, AND A PRE-EXISTED SPIRIT!

Acts 16:7 says, “When they had come down to Mysia, they tried to go into Bithynia, and the

Spirit of Jesus did not allow them.”

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the figure of his substance, and upholding all things by THE WORD of his power, …..

John14: 9Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip,

he that seeth me seeth the Father also.

How sayest thou, Shew us the Father? 10Do you not believe,

that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

John10:30 I and the Father are one.

THE FATHER IS A SPIRIT, OR TO BE MORE PRECISE THE SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER IS A SPIRIT, THUS

JESUS IS ALSO A SPIRIT PROCEEDED AND CAME FORTH OF THE FATHER!

THAT’S WHY HE IS THE SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER. Hebrews 1:3 ABOVE

John 8:42 Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me.

For from God I proceeded, and came;

for I came not of myself, but he sent me:

John 16: 28 I came forth from the Father,

and am come into the world: again I leave the world,

and I go to the Father.

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

[carmel]

Hi Jodi,
You: Berean

 “the WORD” is not a pre-existing Jesus
 

existing before and speaking creation into existence.

“The WORD” is God’s Spirit with the promise that it will 

abode in man.

ME: IN THE ABOVE Jodi, UNAWARE OF, YOU ARE NOT ONLY CONTRADICTING YOURSELF, BUT YOU ALSO ARE SAYING THINGS, WHILE IN THE SAME TIME, YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN TO THE EXTENT THAT

YOU ARE ADMITTING WHAT YOU DENY!

THE TRUTH!

More to come!

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

[carmel]

Hi DT,

You: We cannot forget it was the spirit is who impregnated Mary and NOT of the seed of David. Once again, you are justifying lies.

Me: Let’s consider FOR THE TIME BEING, the discussion of Jesus’ genealogy BETWEEN US, as the SON OF MAN, ENDED IN A STALEMATE.

THUS FOR A CHANGE, I AM TACKLING THIS PROCESS, AS YOU HINTED OUT, FROM GOD’S SPIRIT PERSPECTIVE, MY SPECIALITY THANKS TO THE HOLY SPIRIT,  ALWAYS THOUGH, TO A CERTAIN LIMIT, AS  I’M AFRAID YOU ARE SPIRITUALLY BLIND, FOCUSSED ONLY ON THE CARNAL PROCESS OF THE JEWISH MESSIAH, WITH EVERY RESPECT.

NOW both Matthew and Luke genealogies used the first patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Exodus 3:6 And he said: I am the God of thy father,

the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

15  And God said again to Moses: Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel:

The Lord God of your fathers,

the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,

hath sent me to you: This is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

I AM NOT GOING TO TACKLE THE TRINITY CONCEPT AT ALL, BUT IN THE ABOVE IT IS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL THAT GOD IS

BOTH ONE GOD, DEFINITELY SPIRIT: “The Lord God of your fathers,” AND ALSO

THREE AGAIN, DEFINITELY PHYSICAL! PERSONIFIED IN

ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB! 

AT LEAST AS I SAID, THE WAY I SEE THINGS: SPIRITUAL!!!

NOW, I BELIEVE YOU ARE MORE FAMILIAR AND MATURE WITH JEWISH LITERATURE IN GENERAL, AGAIN TO KEEP REMINDING YOU, FOCUSSED ONLY ON THE CARNAL SIDE OF THINGS, CARNALLY MINDED!!!

NOW TELL ME!

IS ISAAC BORN THROUGH NORMAL HUMAN INTERCOURSE, IN THE THOSE DAYS, SATANIC? 

AGAIN I AM ONLY INTERESTED IN JEWISH LITERATURE IN GENERAL, NOT JUST SCRIPTURE OR IF YOU PREFER ONLY SCRIPTURE!

ONE MORE QUESTION!

IS THE JEWISH MESSIAH AN ORDINARY HUMAN BEING, AND DIFFERENT IN ANY WAY, OR ALSO 

THE SON OF GOD, LIKE JESUS IS?

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

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Hi DT,

Me: “when there were no sons to preserve the inheritance, the husband (son-in-law) would become the son upon marriage to keep up the family name.”

You: I haven’t found this verse that says when marrying the daughter of a son less man the man being married becomes

the “son” of that man…..

 ME: Back to square one!

Luke is following the Hebraic, traditional form of genealogies by listing only the male names in which Mary is designated by

her husband’s name.

Thus Joseph to Heli is

HIS SON-IN-LAW

You: What verse are you citing?

1 Samuel 24:16  And when David had made an end of speaking these words to Saul, Saul said: Is this thy voice, MY SON DAVID…..

1 Samuel 26:17 And Saul knew David’s voice, and said:

Is this thy voice, MY SON DAVID? 

DAVID IN THE ABOVE BECAME THE SON OF SAUL ONCE HE MARRIED SAUL’S DAUGHTER MICHOL.

You: Not that having that verse will change anything because Luke has Jesus’ lineage going back to David through his son Nathan. This is a HUGE problem in I Chron 22:7-10:….

the important part is verses 9-10; we find out it will be Solomon who will build the temple, it will be Solomon who will be a son to God and God a father to him,

 AND (proving the lie of Luke’s genealogy) it is through Solomon’s the throne is established forever.

Did you read anything about Nathan? The Messiah is to come from the lineage of David and Solomon; Nathan is Solomon’s brother.

Once again another lie of the NT is exposed; how many lies can there be in the “infallible word of God” before it’s not considered the

“word of God”, let alone “infallible?

Let start!

Mary’s husband Joseph, who was Heli’s son-in-law,

became Heli’s legal son to continue Heli’s family line.

The point of all of this is that in the culture of ancient Israel, inheritance from father to son was so significant and essential that,

for all legal intents and purposes,

 Jesus was Joseph’s son, even if He was not Joseph’s biological son.

Then there’s also the case of a stepson who took on

 the LEGAL status of his stepfather.

Hence: Jesus can be recognized as

 “Solomon’s son”

through Jesus’ step-father, Joseph

Matthew’s purpose is to prove to the Jews that Jesus is the Messiah. The Jews would have recognized from this genealogical list that Jesus had

the LEGAL right to inherit the throne of David.

Luke’s purpose was just to show from Mary’s genealogy that she came from the blood-line of David which showed that Jesus was a

BLOOD-LINE descendant of David.

 

The scepter and throne of David and Solomon, descendants of Judah, will come to the

Messiah Jesus, who will rule and reign forever:

Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not be taken away from Juda, nor a ruler from his thigh, till he come that is to be sent, and he shall be the expectation of nations.

1 Kings 2:45 And king Solomon shall be blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the Lord forever.

 Isaiah 9:7 His empire shall be multiplied, and there shall be no end of peace: he shall sit upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom; to establish it and strengthen it with judgment and with justice, from henceforth and forever: the zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

The scepter and throne are Jesus’ legal inheritance, through his earthly paternal lineage.

But for YOU who has a problem with Jesus’ not being a biological descendant of Solomon, through Joseph,

the scepter also is Jesus’ biological inheritance, since

He is a direct descendant of King David,

 through his maternal lineage.

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

 

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Hi DT,

You: Me: Lineage ran through the father and NOT the mother.

The mother has NOTHING to do with lineage,

Me: NOT QUITE PRECISE:

Luke gives the name Heli (the father of Mary) but then doesn’t list Mary but mentions Joseph. Why?

LET’S SEE HOW VITAL THE WOMAN IS, CONCERNING INHERITANCES!

Heli had no sons!

But according to the Law of Moses,

ESTABLISHED BY GOD,

when there were no sons to preserve the inheritance, the husband (son-in-law) would become the son upon marriage to keep up the family name. Therefore,

Joseph, THE MAN, ON MARRYING MARY, THE WOMAN!!!

became the legal son of Heli according to the Law of Moses AGAIN

ESTABLISHED BY GOD ALL-KNOWING,

and, therefore,

could now be legally included in the genealogy!

NOT ONLY THAT BUT NOTHING TO DO WITH JECONIAH AT ALL ANYMORE!!! NO?

THUS THANKS TO MARY  “THE WOMAN” BEING IN THE LINEAGE OF DAVID,

JESUS IS BOTH THE SON OF GOD AND THE SON OF MAN;

UNIQUE WITHOUT THE BLOOD OF HIS SUPPOSED FATHER  JOSEPH CONTAMINATED WITH THE BLOOD OF JECONIAH, CURSED BY GOD HIMSELF!

ALL POSSIBLE FOR GOD.

JESUS IS THE MESSIAH AND KING BOTH OF HEAVEN AND EARTH!  

GOD AND FATHER OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE IN 

ONE SAME DIVINE BLOOD!

THIS MY FLESH IT IS GIVEN FOR YOU….

Isaiah 9:6 For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us,

and the government is upon his shoulder:

and his name shall be called,

Wonderful, Counsellor,

God the Mighty,

the Father of the world to come,

the Prince of Peace.

THE MAN “JOSEPH” AND THE MAN JECONIAH  WERE BOTH PRESENT AND INEXISTENCE ON JESUS’ BIRTH, ESPECIALLY 

IN THE GENEALOGY OF JESUS!

GOD IS A PERFECT PARADOX!

Jeremiah 31:22 How long wilt thou be dissolute in deliciousness, O wandering daughter?

for the Lord hath created a new thing upon the earth:

A WOMAN SHALL COMPASS A MAN.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

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Hi DT,

You: Thank you for putting this at the top; I don’t have to read any further, because the rest of what you will say will be foolishness.

What part of Numbers 1:2 escapes your understanding? Did you even go look it up before you made this “statement” of justification?!? Let me give you the passage for your reading enjoyment:

Num 1:2 “Take the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, by families following their fathers’ houses;

ME: DT, that pure CHERRY PICKING, also, what about CONTEXT?

let’s read the full paragraph:

Numbers 1:1 And the Lord spoke to Moses in the desert of Sinai in the tabernacle of the covenant, the first day of the second month,

the second year of their going out of Egypt,

saying: 2 Take the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel by their families, and houses, and the names of everyone, as many as are of the male sex,

3 From twenty years old and upwards,

NOTICE: THE AGE IS VITAL WHY? READ:

of all the men of Israel fit for war,

and you shall number them by their troops, thou and Aaron.

4And there shall be with you the princes of the tribes, and of the houses in their kindreds,5Whose names are these: Of Ruben, Elisur the son of Sedeur. 6Of Simeon, Salamiel the son of Surisaddai. 7Of Juda, Nahasson the son of Aminadab. 8Of Issachar, Nathanael the son of Suar. 9Of Zabulon, Eliab the son of Helon. 10And of the sons of Joseph: of Ephraim, Elisama the son of Ammiud: of Manasses, Gamaliel the son of Phadassur. 11Of Benjamin, Abidan the son of Gedeon. 12Of Dan, Ahiezer the son of Ammisaddai. 13Of Aser, Phegiel the son of Ochran. 14Of Gad, Eliasaph the son of Duel. 15Of Nephtali, Ahira the son of Enan. 16These are the most noble princes of the multitude by their tribes and kindreds, and the chiefs of the army of Israel:

DT. ALL THE ABOVE WAS SIMPLY  RELATED TO THE MEN FIT FOR WAR,

NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR LINEAGE TO HAVE A KING AT ALL. NEVER MIND DAVID AND HIS THRONE!

THE JEWS HAD GOD AS THEIR KING!

NOW GOD DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY HUMAN GENEALOGY! NO?
THE FACT THAT GOD SELECTED THEIR FIRST KING SOUL AND DAVID HIMSELF!

THE FACT ALSO THAT GOD NEVER ASKED A PARTICULAR LINEAGE WHEN HE SELECTED BOTH SAUL AND DAVID. AS GOD LOOKS AT THE HEART!

You: Lineage ran through the father and NOT the mother.

The mother has NOTHING to do with lineage,

 

THAT IS ONLY YOUR  OLD JEWISH OBSOLETE CARNAL MENTALITY!

ATTENTION PLEASE:

WHEN IT COMES TO GOD AND HIS TASKS,  ARE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT AND EVEN OPPOSITE AS GOD IS  NOT CARNAL BUT SPIRIT AND A PERFECT PARADOX!

JESUS WAS NOT BORN OF HUMAN ORIGIN BUT GODLY ORIGIN!

NO SPERM OR OVUM WAS INVOLVED!

NEVERTHELESS, A SON OF EVE, OF ABRAHAM, AND DAVID.

IN THE SAME WAY, ABEL WAS OF EVE, BUT NOT THROUGH SEX,

AND ISAAC OF SARAH  AND ALSO NOT THROUGH SEX! 

ALSO, JESUS HIMSELF CONFIRMED THAT HIS KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD, HENCE:

HE IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY PROCESS OF THIS WORLD, THE FACT THAT DAVID IS ALSO THE ORIGIN OF THE HEAVENLY REALMS OF GENESI 1:1!!!!

NOW READ:

Luke 1:28 And the angel being come in, said unto her:

Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 

29Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said to her:

Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

 31Behold thou shalt conceive in THY WOMB,

NOTHING CARNAL DT. WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT’S YOUR PIGEON!!!

and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus. 32He shall be great,

and shall be called the Son of the most High;
and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father;

DID YOU GET THAT?

and he shall reign in the house of Jacob forever. 33And of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done,

because I know not man?

DID YOU GET THAT?

35And the angel answering, said to her:

The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,
and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee.

And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called

THE SON OF GOD

NOW READ WHAT GOD SAID AND CHEW!!!

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts:

nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9For as the heavens are exalted above the earth,

so are my ways exalted above your ways,

and my thoughts above your thoughts.

10 And as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and return no more thither, but soak the earth, and water it, and make it to spring, and give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:

11So shall my WORD be, which shall go forth from my mouth:

it shall not return to me void,

but it shall do whatsoever I please, and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.

12For you shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall sing praise before yen, and all the trees of the country shah clap their hands.

13Instead of the shrub, shall come up the fir tree,

and instead of the nettle, shall come up the myrtle tree:

and the Lord shall be named for an everlasting sign, that shall not be taken away.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

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You: Me: Ahhh, NO! I asked  for where Jechoniah asked for forgiveness 

ME: THE ABOVE IS IRRELEVANT, AS JESUS WAS NOT OF JECONIAH, JOSEPH WAS, AND JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF JOSEPH AT ALL. BUT THE SON OF MARY  OF NATHAN!

ANOTHER OF DAVID’S LINEAGE.

This is also also in contrast to Matthew, as Luke begins his genealogy with his own time and goes back into history all the way to Adam. THE SON OF GOD!

It comes to the family of David in verses 31-32. However, the son of David involved in this genealogy is not Solomon but Nathan. So, like Joseph,

Miriam was a member of the house of David.

But unlike Joseph, she came from David’s son, Nathan, not Solomon.

This is prophesied in

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;

it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Miriam was a member of the house of David apart from Jeconiah. Since Jesus was Miriam’s son, he too was a member of the house of David, apart from Jeconiah.

In this way Jesus fulfilled the biblical requirement for kingship.

However, Jesus was not the only member of the house of David apart from Jeconiah.

NOW DT, There were a number of other descendants who could claim equality with Yeshua to the throne of David,

for they too did not have Jeconiah’s blood in their veins.

Why Jesus and not one of the others? At this point the second biblical requirement for kingship,

that of divine appointment, comes into the picture.

Of all the members of the house of David apart from Jeconiah, only one received divine appointment.

Luke 1:30-33 states:

And the angel said to her, ‘Do not be afraid, Miriam; for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb, and bear a son, and you shall name Him Yeshua. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High: and the Lord God will give him the throne of his father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and His kingdom will have no end.’

On what grounds then could Jesus claim the throne of David?

He was a member of the house of David apart from Jeconiah.

He alone received a divine appointment to that throne:

“The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David.”

You: Me: Ahhh, NO! I asked  for where Jechoniah asked for forgiveness 

IT IS NO USE TO KEEP ON DISCUSSING THE JECONIAH CASE!

YOU ARE WRITING IN WATER!

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE!

NEVERTHELESS READ HEREUNDER:

Jeremiah 22:30 Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless,

a man that shall not prosper IN HIS DAYS:….

 

WHAT THE PHRASE “IN HIS DAYS “ IS TELLING YOU?

CONSIDERING

THAT THERE ARE THREE PARTS TO THE CURSE ON JECONIAH:

that he would be childless 
that he would not prosper in his lifetime
that none of his descendants would rule in Judah

While the Scripture shows that in fact none of these took place.

ALSO WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FROM THE REBUILDING OF THE TEMPLE AGAIN????

NOW FOCUS ON THE WORD “TEMPLE”

Go ahead and read all the details that I posted in the previous posts!

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

 

 

 

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