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“The Bible also tells us to come out and be seperate. How can I truly celebrate a day that all the wicked celebrate , and has no scriptural background, and was created by man, and still obey God when He says, Be not conformed to this world, but be you transformed?” ” QUOTING YOU

Read this over again, you don't ask a question about IS CHRISTMAS BIBLICAL, you slander everyone for celebrating it and ask a question, how can I celebrate a day that all wicked celebrate, has no scriptual background, and was created by man, and still obey God when He says, Be not conformed to this world but be ye transformed” well I listed a bunch of stuff that isn't in the bible, created by man, some have pagan background. And you slander me. Here is my 2 cents….

READ WHAT YOU WRITE, before you start to just ramble on and say something you didn't state, you my friend are like every person that goes to those buildings. Don't argue unless you have some point.

My point is, if you are making this argument based on the question at hand, THEN dont drive, dont use the computer, dont drink, and all the other stuff I mentioned and anything else. Otherwise come up with a new arguement before slandering millions and million and millions of people trying to say your better then everyone else.

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“The Bible also tells us to come out and be seperate. How can I truly celebrate a day that all the wicked celebrate , and has no scriptural background, and was created by man, and still obey God when He says, Be not conformed to this world, but be you transformed?” ” QUOTING YOU

Read this over again, you don't ask a question about IS CHRISTMAS BIBLICAL, you slander everyone for celebrating it and ask a question, how can I celebrate a day that all wicked celebrate, has no scriptual background, and was created by man, and still obey God when He says, Be not conformed to this world but be ye transformed” well I listed a bunch of stuff that isn't in the bible, created by man, some have pagan background. And you slander me. Here is my 2 cents….

READ WHAT YOU WRITE, before you start to just ramble on and say something you didn't state, you my friend are like every person that goes to those buildings. Don't argue unless you have some point.

My point is, if you are making this argument based on the question at hand, THEN dont drive, dont use the computer, dont drink, and all the other stuff I mentioned and anything else. Otherwise come up with a new arguement before slandering millions and million and millions of people trying to say your better then everyone else.

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Are you just the most ” I like to put words in everyone's mouth” kind of argumentetive person, maybe you lack self confidence in real life so you just quote stuff and try to raise soemone to argue with you to feel important. Did I ever say Christmas is biblical, you people are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill trying to be better then thou.

Its pretty easy, if you got a problem with it DONT DO IT, but dont press your Everything is PAGAN on the everyone that truley believes in Christianity, before catholosism and before all these anti-christs running around. I know what it is, you go to that building that I don't go to? Am I right? You walk into a building that holds a CROSS up high and worships the cross right, well if anything is a pagan symbol that is.

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You are asking me if I believe in Jesus Christ as God's first creation, Yes, And Jesus died on the cross for my past present and future sins YES, and God looked away from Jesus and the whole earth went black, Yes. Do I sin anymore, No because it has all been bought with the blood of Christ. Yet we don't walk into evil because we are childeren of the light now.

For me this is simple to understand, yet all i see is arguement after arguement of what when and why people should do this that and the other thing, when really if we all just focus on ourselves there wouldn't be all these pagan religions, Fake christianity, catholosism, on and on and on.

John 3:16 blah blah blah BEGET blah blah blah

Beget means to produce or to father, so God produced Jesus He procreated, or produced.

And if you say Jesus wasn't created by God then I would urge you to once again read John 3:16 and look up the word BEGET, then don't take some misguided toll and say well it has 2 meanings and it means the first, but not the second blah blah blah. Either way Procreate means to help create, but I believe God created Him.

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“So the same people you seek to justify with rationalization will end up seperated from God for eternity, and why? Because you decided to praise sin instead of God. We may come to God in bad shape, but we won't leave that way.”

This is the quote you made about me, This sums up you saying I am going to hell.

Praising sin instead of God would lead me to hell.

I am not justifying anything, I am not on trial here.

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Oh and 1 more thing, Judge the people in the church, that means fellow brothers, You really think this kid selling drugs on the doorstep of som Evil Pagan Building that has more blood oaths and wicked lies that feeds on the blood of the saints so that they are able to boost themselves into righteousness is actually a believer. Leave the misguided alone I say the people who are outside the “buildings of religious propogana” are closer to God then the ones inside of it.

Quote me on this there will come a day when everyone is forced to attend those buildings, and if you don't they will label you and kill you. Mark my words. They will take notes written on paper of the members of those organizations that breed wealth and misguided lies. Better isthe man selling drugs outside the “building” then the people inside of it.

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So basicvally you are saying I will go to hell, because I say we are all unrighteous and I don't believe any man to be sinless until they come to the full realization of Jesus Christ that He died for Past, Present and Future sins. Sinless means without Sin, if you have sin you can't go into heaven, even at your death. Sooo you must be sinless at the time of full realization of Jesus Christ.

I don't believe weed is bad, I don't believe people go to hell for smoking weed, name a place in the bible as you all point out where it says Stoners go to hell because?

Sorry folks you make no valied argument you stand on the basis that you don't like them, or the things they do. If you say well I must use discernment, you are kidding right? Discernment is a very iffy subject, specially when arguing these points because it sounds merely like flesh speaking rather then the Spirit at all.

Name a place in the bible where Jesus said Oh Ye who has sex with multiple woman you are going to hell right now and anyone that knows about you doing so is going to hell. We are talking about Non believers, we are not talking about current believers, believers who do those things, we must rebuke, but non believers, he doesnt say to rebuke them He says Love them.

Take a look at 1 Corinthians 5

1 Corinthians 5

Therefore let us celebrate the feast, (O)not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9I wrote you in my letter (P)not to associate with immoral people;

10I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with (Q)idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.

11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called Âbrother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or (S)an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler–not even to eat with such a one.

12For what have I to do with judging (T)outsiders? (U)Do you not judge those who are within the church?

13But those who are outside, God judges. (V)REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

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Are cars Biblical?
Is your Birthday Biblical?
Are plastic bags biblical?
Is Samuel Adams Beer Biblical?
Are washing Machines Biblical?
Are Computers Biblical?
Is the United States Biblical?

I am sure I can find dark roots in all of those, if I wanted to, but I have many more important things to do then to scrutinize them.

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I think the problem is most people look into this WAY TO MUCH, as long as you arn't lying to your kids, I don't think there is an issue. The whole hey lets get a christmas tree, lets sing Christmas Songs about Jesus in a manger. I mean come on people is this really something that will send you to heaven or hell, as long as your not loving to lie to your kids about Santa Clause.

If you were to look at Christmas Bad then lets bring out all the other subjects.

Christmas has intertwined pagan traditions
Driving over 65 MPH is illegal
Is driving a car a sin, since it isn't taking care of what God gave you?
Is using a plastic bag instead of a ummm well your hands to carry groceries a sin, because you are using Oil for selfish gain which depletes many of the earth's natural recycling processes, paper bags cuts down millions of trees a year. And really you are using a bag to? Save some time? Considered Selfish, even indirectly.
Turning on your heat, when not needed? AC because wwwwahhh you are too hot? Selfish

Does anything listed up there send you to hell?
No, and neither does wrapping some presents for your kids, singing a few manger songs, drinking some good ole fashion rum eggnog. You get wrapped up to tight, and you end up not living, you end up being concerned about how everyone else is wrong and how you won't sin tomorrow.

Until then, Happy Hannukah, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and all that other mumbo jumbo.

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Woutlaw,

Take a look at 1 Cornthians 14, I am a firm believer in the whole Do Not Speak in Tongues Unless an Interpreter is there, and if you are speaking in tongues let your mind pray also.

Also, There is noted an Ungifted Man, which then Paul/Holy Spirit/God puts in the same sentence as an unbeliever, but we cannot assume that the ungifted man is an unbeliever just has not recieved the baptism of fire, but yet Paul rebukes the people speaking in tongues without interpretation and says the people who Prophesy(IE instructed and encouraged… Unbelievers Falling on face after conviction, IE Not telling Future, but telling the Sins which are currently being commited and if not so the end decleration IE Exorhted and Encouragment IE edification and (H)exhortation and consolation) are actually edifying the entire body and are at much more benefit unless an interpretation is made. Now we do have to take into account the lists of other spiritual gifts that come into account. Which the lists go on listed in the bible in various places so on so forth. So to the people that speak merely on speaking in tongues, there are many more gifts then just tongues. many that can edify the church.

remember, For one who (E)speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks (F)mysteries.

3But one who prophesies speaks to men for (G)edification and (H)exhortation and consolation.

4One who (I)speaks in a tongue (J)edifies himself; but one who (K)prophesies (L)edifies the church.

Also I would encourage you to be extremely careful when around a large gathering of people speaking in tongues, many call out interpretations that speak to the entire people listening, or what people should do so on so forth. Remember the interpretation is ment what that Gentlemen would be speaking to God, from his Spirit. I also say Gentlement because woman are suppose to keep silent in gatherings. I am not sorry for the pollitcally incorrect statement, it is what the bible commands of woman, sorry ladies just da way it rolls.

Good way to roll out an all biblical Church gathering, the ones that believe that God/Jesus are Different, I place this because all those that believe in the trinity are the Anti-Christ as written throughout the bible such marks are in 1 John all the way out to Revelation is to follow the simple end note discussion from Paul/God/Holy Spirit.

What is the outcome then, (AQ)brethren? When you assemble, (AR)each one has a (AS)psalm, has a (AT)teaching, has a (AU)revelation, has a (AV)tongue, has an (AW)interpretation Let (AX)all things be done for edification.

Cheers

Prophesy Explenation:
1 Timothy 4:9-14
1 Cornthians 14:3

Mainly 1 Corinthians 14 if anyone has any questions about other passages please email me at the listed email addy since I do not check the forums often.

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I also believe there was a baptism of fire if I remember right, and there was someone breathing on them. I might be mistaken, also… careful consideration

Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning.

21I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism.

22Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, and do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure.

23Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.

24The sins of some men are obvious, reaching the place of judgment ahead of them; the sins of others trail behind them. 25In the same way, good deeds are obvious, and even those that are not cannot be hidden.

Careful, make sure you know who you are laying your hands on they could have inner sins they arn't revealing. Remember as said the first laying on of hands was how the cliche “scapegoat came into play”

The goat designated by lot for the Lord is to be used as a sin offering, while the goat designated for Azazel “shall be left standing alive before the Lord, to make expiation with it and to send it off to the wilderness to Azazel” (Lev. 16:10). Aaron was to “lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat and confess over it all the iniquities and transgressions of the Israelites, whatever their sins, putting them on the head of the goat; and it shall be sent off to the wilderness by someone designated for the task. Thus the goat shall carry on it all their iniquities to an inaccessible region; and the goat shall be set free in the wilderness” (Lev. 16:21-22). Leviticus also says that “He who set the goat for Azazel free shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water; after that he may reenter the camp” (16:26).

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Oh maybe this is important,

1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

6If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed. 7Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. 8For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

9This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance 10(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

Marijunna is listed as an herb, which is listed as a food or a nutrional value and contains vitams, and enrichment.

I do disagree with all “drugs” that are altered by man to obtain a high, but if it is grown from the ground it is stated to be good.

is the first part of Timothy, oh ye who dwell on such damnation to anyone that does something that you don't agree with. Maybe you would like to cast the first stone? Or get stoned? or have gotten stoned? or drunk? or slept with another woman then your wife? Before passing judegment maybe you should help the people, remember Jesus came for people not of the house of Isreal, but for the murderers, so on so forth.

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4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

6If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed. 7Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. 8For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

9This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance 10(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

I do not smoke weed, but God did create it. Even if you eat weed it still gets you high. I think it is time we as people realize why weed is illegal, it is merely for govermental gain. The same reason why people in “church” tell you alcohol is bad, or was bad at some point in time. They come up with all these rediculous misconceptions of “why alcohol is bad” when actually Jesus drank wine, and no it wasn't different then today's whole made wine from a cask, so don't use the argument.

Alcohol was Illegal in the states why = Moonshining, Governmental access to exploit monies and gain in the underground speakeasy's

Weed is Illegal why? Same reason why alcohol was illegal less then 50 years ago, I mean how many years do we have to actually put up with this crud believing everything that you read in the newspapers. Think outside the box joe, or you're just average, be better then average, be EXCEPTIONAL.

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Quote (Guest @ June 24 2005,06:35) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2005,04:39) ps, The Son of God was not the only supernatural being to become incarnate. Satan did too with Judas and with the Beast. The bible classifies beings: 1)  God 2)  angels 3)  man 4)  beasts —————— So where do you put Christ? All other gods are false – there are no “demigods” ——————- The scriptures call him THE Son of God not an angel (sons of God, which are created beings) ——————- In biological terms: an asexual creature reproduces a genetically identical replication. FYI,  Psalm 82: 6 I (A)said, “You are gods,         And all of you are (B)sons of the Most High. You never answer direct questions. You ramble on and answer a question with a question. Your retorical remarks arn't proving anything to me. One giant circle that will never end. You said there are no demigods or other gods, but it says in psalms there is. S

FYI,

In biological terms:

an asexual creature reproduces a genetically identical replication.

thats helarious, So Jesus just looked like a Male? Thats why they called Him a He.

So you actually don't believe that God impregnated Mary with His seed miraculously? Virgin Birth? Arn't you a catholic? Isn't that suppose to be extremely high on your list to believe in? I don't believe God to be Asexual, I believe Him to be Male. And no it doesn't say God is male anywhere in the bible, but it does use the right VERBAGE, Do you call God IT, or He? wasn't Man made in Their Image? So that means all of them have the same utensils as all Men.

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Interesting concept, not one place in the bible does it say not to worship anyone, but God. It says Don't worship another God. I don't believe Jesus is God.

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Hi CS, We are approaching the question from opposite ends. I say we do what we are told, and you say show me what we told not to do. Both are valid but I believe my approach is deeper. The ten commandments were only introduced by God because God had to. Commonsense had gone out of the window in the behaviours of man and his conscience was no longer a reliable guide so God gave negative boundaries always hoping men would understand that they were not to try to stay within those boundaries but to find the essence. Jesus explained it to the Jews when he came. Love of God and Love of neighbour was the essence. The commands of Jesus are not negative but positive. They tell us to do things. Those we should do and not look for what is banned so we believe what is not banned is acceptable or good. What you suggest is right is not commanded.

Nick,

 3So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

  4Therefore, my brethren, you also were ©made to die (D)to the Law (E)through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

  5For while we were (F)in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were (G)aroused by the Law, were at work (H)in the members of our body to bear fruit for death.

  6But now we have been (I)released from the Law, having (J)died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in (K)newness of (L)the [a]Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

  7(M)What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? (N)May it never be! On the contrary, (O)I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “(P)YOU SHALL NOT COVET.”

  8But sin, (Q)taking opportunity ®through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for (S)apart from the Law sin is dead.

  9I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died;

  10and this commandment, which was (T)to result in life, proved to result in death for me;

  11for sin, (U)taking an opportunity (V)through the commandment, (W)deceived me and through it killed me.

  12(X)So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

  13Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? (Y)May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

for (V)you shall not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God

Is Jesus a God?

Your promoting Him like He is. Why disbelieve in the trinity then promote it? I believe your playing both fields.  Paul wished not to know the Law. I wish not to know it either. It causes you to sin, If you think eatting red meat is wrong don't eat it. If your neighbor does don't eat it in front of him. If you don't wish to worship Jesus I won't in front of you. I will do it in private. thank you for your concern. I will continue to thank, praise, serve, worship Him in Spirit and in truth. You do what you think is right I will continue to do what the Spirit leads me to do. Do you do what is just required of you or do you press on to your all in all? You often times question people here in their motives and actions, but your responses are very offensive in the fact your in comparison of how close you are with God then others. I am in no way saying that I am greater then you in any way. As a matter of fact I am probably much further from perfection then anyone here. But I hope that Jesus will save my soul from the 2nd death and I will foreverlasting to everlasting be able to serve and worship Him and the Most High God. If this send's me to hell because I choose to worship my risen Lord then let it be. I will continue to hold My Father, God higher then Christ for sending His son to earth to die on the cross for my sins, For creating a way out of the TC that you are preaching. But, I will worship them both just like the hosts of heaven in REV.

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Nick,

that is becoming least in heaven. If you also note God turned and allowed them to serve help rekindle the hosts of heaven.

Either way bowing is not the same as it said in REV as I previously posted. Anyhow, the arguement is not going to stop in the forums. As I asked 1 time before name 1 verse in the bible where it states not to worship Christ and I won't, Or name 1 place in the bible whewre it says in the NT to only worship the Father.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2005,04:39) ps, The Son of God was not the only supernatural being to become incarnate. Satan did too with Judas and with the Beast. The bible classifies beings: 1)  God 2)  angels 3)  man 4)  beasts —————— So where do you put Christ? All other gods are false – there are no “demigods” ——————- The scriptures call him THE Son of God not an angel (sons of God, which are created beings) ——————- In biological terms: an asexual creature reproduces a genetically identical replication.

FYI,

Psalm 82: 6 I (A)said, “You are gods,
And all of you are (B)sons of the Most High.

You never answer direct questions. You ramble on and answer a question with a question. Your retorical remarks arn't proving anything to me. One giant circle that will never end.

You said there are no demigods or other gods, but it says in psalms there is.

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FYI,

By you saying that one is ignorant you are saying that you are wise in your ways. I am saying this directly to you, in an orderly fashion as well as humble. Imagine the world as a whole. The world without endless belief knowledge circumstance, without air. Would you have the faith to move a mountain based on the belief you believe?

Put our shoes on for a minute, take a deep breath. Why do you think we think the way we do? I am not perfect, correct. In no circumstance do I think I am perfect. If I were in your shoes believing the way you do the world would be a much brighter place, it would be very easy. The world(everyone) accepts you for who you are. The world rejects me, everyone including “your church”. Imagine everyone around you, coworkers, business partners, classmates, random people. Tell them that you disagree with the whole theory behind what “your church” is all about. The world rejects you, not one accepts you for who you are, You belong to no Social organization that acts as if you were one of it's own. If I did agree with what you believe the world would be much easier then what I am living in now, spiritual, physically, and emmotionally. The point I am trying to raise here is this.

Trinity or no trinity, God or no God, Jesus or No Jesus. If I were to place my whole life whole being on what I believe I would, all my chips right in the table. Would you call or would you fold. Thats the question.

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Nick,

Where does it say not to, that was my question. Prove to me that what you're saying only worship God and don't worship Jesus whatsoever. I am not arguing because of mere arguement I believe in what I believe. Through many years of knowing what is right and wrong my spirit tells me to also worship, thank, honor, obey, bow, serve, give all that I am to Christ as well as God. If I am believing in a false spirit please rebuke me and show me for what I am doing is wrong, show me verse by verse. And I will humbly take my seat in this disagreement with the fundamentals of being a true Christian.

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