DavidL. I agree. It has nothing to do with the Trinity because that is pagan and God and his two witnesses are true.

You have put your trust in Athanasius and Babylonian doctrine. But Jesus says to you these words which are true.

“Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me.”
“This is eternal life, that you may…[Read more]

A lot of what you say is correct and if you click the link you can read the full debate which covers some of your points. As for your point that the Father has a body, well bodies are finite, but God is eternal and can exist all things.

Jesus said, “ye are theos” and you are saying he is theos. But how exactly is he and the sons of God, ‘theos’? read on.

We need to listen to the way he used that word. He had the exact same problem with the Pharisees as you davidL and had to correct them as to who he was claiming to be. He defended the charge of blasphemy with the…[Read more]

While Satan has the Man of sin and the false prophet on Earth in that time, God has his two witnesses. Is God and the two witnesses another Trinity? Do you deny this Trinity?

@ davidL
You said: “John’s revelation of Christ ‘proves’ His Deity…which directly ‘supports’ the Trinity..”

Once again, what you infer doesn’t match with scripture and it is scripture which proves your teaching as wrong. You are inferring that Revelation supports your idea that Jesus is God. You are wrong. I will now give you three witness scr…[Read more]

No one is denying that Jesus is divine. But we are denying that he is THE divine. The Most High God is his Father and Jesus is his son. This is the testimony of Jesus and scripture. We accept it. And our faithful brother Paul said, “for us, there is one God the Father” and we concur.

Whereas you are trying to coax us into “For us, there is on…[Read more]

Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”.

Yes Satan tries to deny this and what better way than to make every subject to an extra-biblical doctrine. The Trinity has served him well, but it is God’s time to come out of her now. She will be judged and God calls his people out so…[Read more]

@ DavidL,
You said: “The Deity of Christ is not some theological dogma reserved for Catholics,”

The Catholic Faith is this: “The Trinity Doctrine”. Yet you take some comfort in that other denominations hold the Trinity Doctrine too. Well the answer is that the Catholic Church had it first. The Catholic Trinity that is, and it is the one you…[Read more]

DavidL, your view of John 1:1 and a few other scriptures are in direct contradiction with the rest of scripture. It is you who has to wrestle with this. Whereas, when you believe rightly that there is one true God the Father, and Jesus is the one who God made Lord and messiah, then there are no contradictions.

@ DavidL.
You say: “Only if one assumes BEFORE HAND that God is unipersonal (a completely individual entity) can one conclude that John 17:3 proves that only the Father is true God. (Matt Slick)”.

What a joke. I would not trade that slick guys comment for the words of the Lord Jesus Christ ever. And it appears that you believe this slick guys…[Read more]

DavidL, many cults deny the Trinity and many cults accept the Trinity such as the RCC. It is the foundation of the false Roman Church and through her history she has martyred the saints, while these other cults have not or perhaps have killed few. It is her that has the blood of the martyrs on her hands. Of the cults, she is the worst…[Read more]

So you admit that John 1:1 doesn’t teach the Trinity. We agree.

Now for my two questions.

I will gladly answer your question. But you have two outstanding questions to answer and if you can answer me, then I think it fair and I will answer you.

1) You say I am an Arian for believing in Jesus words “eternal life is this, to know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”. And you say I am Arian because I believe as Paul…[Read more]

And replace the wine of Babylon for the wine of God. Best to be drunk on the Spirit than drunk on the wine of Babylon. For the whole world is drunk on her wine. Why number yourself with them. Do not partake of their table.

Jesus clearly said that the Father is the one true God. So I am not going to be persuaded by an external doctrine that tries to change it. It is obvious what Jesus said. But you harden your heart. Why be like the Pharisees. They did the same with his words. Made all kinds of accusations against him and accused him of saying this and that. At one…[Read more]

You ask “Jesus is another what?” or something like that.

The answer is obvious he is another if he is not God. If Jesus says that the only true God is the Father and that he sent his son, then he is another besides God. If Paul says that there is one God the Father, and Jesus is Lord, then Jesus is Lord, not God. But I see the trap you are…[Read more]

DavidL, for which of these scriptures do you condemn me for? Your answer is inadequate. You are out of your depth. I give you a list of scriptures that you cannot deny and your resort to labelling me as a follower of Arius. Two quetions for you:

What scripture or what words have I said in that post that says I am Arian? Good luck because…[Read more]

It is simple DavidL.

The angel of YHWH is the ANGEL of YHWH. YHWH is not an angel.

And because the angel is sent by God, then it is God in that the person is dealing with because God sent that angel.

Remember God is invisible and is eternal and not confined to a body. Thus dealing with God will always be through an agent. The primary…[Read more]

These have all been scrutinized before and here is the answer.

Here is one hundred scriptures that clearly indicate that the Father is God and Jesus is another. This is not a case of building a doctrine out of one or two verses as you suggest, rather that is how the Trinity works.
e.g., For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten…[Read more]