@t8 @Lightenup

At this point, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I’ll leave you with a FACT, not a theory:
“If the Earth were a globe, it would, unquestionably, have the same general characteristics—no matter its size—as a small globe that may be stood upon the table. As the small globe has top, bottom, and sides, so must also the large one…[Read more]

@t8 @Lightenup @genebalthrop

My answer to your objections:

@t8 @genebalthrop @berean @Lightenup @Jodi @carmel

Here’s an argument by William Carpenter from the year 1885:

If the Earth were a globe, there certainly would be—if we could imagine the thing to be peopled all round—“antipodes:” “people who,” says the dictionary, “living exactly on the opposite side of the globe to ourselves, have their feet op…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

Mike gave me a private message for you.
Please read and give an answer:
Can you do me a favor and ask LU about the time I supposedly called her a b….?
1. When did this happen? Weeks ago? Months? Years?
2. Does she have any proof to offer?
3. Did she report the offense?
4. If so, what did Admin do about it? Was I reprimanded?…[Read more]

@berean @carmel @Jodi @keras @Lightenup @gadam123

Hi folks,

Mike was banned unfairly.
I ask you all to show solidarity with Mike
by no longer posting on this forum.
But of course you are free to decide.

God bless you all,

Danny

@Proclaimer

Please address the post at the top of this page.

@Lightenup

Please come to the Conspiracies thread and offer your input.

Proclaimer:  But you don’t have to bother if you consider that Genesis actually says that God created the heavens and the earth and that the earth was formless and void before the days even began. 

Gene:  By the way I do agree with your point about the earth and water already existed before God started this creation…

Okay, let’s do a comp…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

You said:

I believe the Son is the only begotten literal son of God. I have been saying that for 28+ years. Jesus is begotten, not created. A created son would not be a literal son.

Yes. I believe that too.

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

You asked:

Danny and Berean,
The three of us are agreeing on both the Father and Son being deity and identified as YHVH, correct?

I agree.

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

Thanks.
You asked:

That which is begotten of the eternal One is part of the family of YHVH and is every bit a YHVH as the eternal One that begat Him.
Would you agree to that?

Yes, I agree. That’s the natural conclusion.

You also said:

That which was begotten of Elvis Presley is part of the Presley family and is every bit a…

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@t8 @genebalthrop @Lightenup @berean
@gadam123 @edj @mikeboll64

Hey guys! and everyone else I didn’t mention,

Irenaeus wrote around AD 185 and mentions John 1:1 five times.
In one reference he comments, “‘and the Word was God,’ of course, for that which is begotten of God is God.”
Irenaeus understood Jesus as more than “a god” or a divine bein…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Why did you run away, Kathi?  There are questions pending (I may have just answered my own question).

Who is our ONE Creator?

Who is our ONE Creator according to the Apostles who prayed in Acts 4?  (Obviously I refer to the words of their prayer as recorded by Luke, and not to your own supposition regarding what they “…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

If Jesus is Yahweh, then that would contradict Isaiah 45:5.

“I am Yahweh, and there is no one else.
Besides me, there is no God.” Isaiah 45:5

The Bible is a harmony.
So Hebrews 1 has to fit with Isaiah 45:5

If you disagree, then please tell me who is speaking in Isaiah 45:5?
If you say the Father and the Son together, then…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

I have to correct my statement.
There are manuscripts that calls Jesus with the article “THE only begotten God” in John 1.18.
And some without the article.
Does this make any difference?
Well, I have to study that a little bit more.

@Lightenup

Hi LU,

Thanks for your answer.
I believe that Jesus is an only begotten God.

There is no article in the greek.

Do you believe that Jesus is Almighty God or a lesser God?

@Jodi @genebalthrop @Lightenup @berean @carmel

Thanks for your posts.
I have to make a deep research.

Goodbye and God bless.

Danny

@Lightenup @berean

Hi Lu and Berean,

Can we honestly say that a God/Man was like one of us in every way? Hebrews 2:17

God bless,

Danny

@Lightenup

Danny Dabbs,

Nice presentation to prove that before refers to “time” not importance.

LU

That’s right, but they simply can’t accept it because it goes against their doctrine.
Very sad.

@Lightenup

God doesn’t change.

Yet you think the Father came from an earlier entity which spawned both the Father and the Son.

So the Father had a father according to your teaching.

Did that father of the Father have a father before that one must wonder if we were to take your doctrine seriously.

Of course we don’t take it seriously.

@Lightenup

When did He become the Father of the Son? What was He before He became the Father of the Son?

When the begat or created the first life to be with him would be my guess.

We know that he was called the Father before Jesus came into this world.

Jer 31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will…[Read more]