Yes or No?

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     Ed J 
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    “let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for
    whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil” (Matt 5:37)

    Yea is Yes
    Nay is No

    #843915
     Ed J 
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    Hi Miia,

    If some thing is true, then everyone should be able to understand it.
    Thus the need for clarifying “Yes” or “No” questions arises.

    You should not have a problem with this; do you? “Yes” or “No” <– please answer

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #843918
     Jodi 
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    Hi Ed J,

    You have a couple of major issues,

    # 1 You are using the passage out of context, “36 nor by thy head mayest thou swear, because thou art not able one hair to make white or black; 37 but let your word be, Yes, Yes, No, No, and that which is more than these is of the evil.”

    You do NOT comprehend what Jesus’s was saying. It has NOTHING to do with someone asking a theological question that is based on their own belief, and then someone being of evil if they don’t answer that question with a yes or no answer.. Such is diabolically STUPID. Jesus was saying that if you are asked to do something or maybe it is to not do something, you simply say yes or no according to the sincerity of the intent of your heart, and not say you will do it as you are able to as if you are a god, as you do not even have the capability to even turn one hair on your own head white or black. When you swear on something that you actually have no absolute control over, you are a fool, you are of evil, as you see your self with godlike capabilities. Only God’s word is powerful and true, where man’s might come from the best intentions but it is certainly not a guarantee, so thus you shall not swear by your word. 

    #2 When a human gives a theological question to another human, the question itself might not be read in the way the person who asked it intended, the question could be perceived quite differently. A question can be framed in a way that the reader doesn’t even believe parts of the question is true, so therefore it would be impossible to give a yes or a no answer to it. Just seem self righteous to ask a theological question that is based on a human’s views and then when someone doesn’t answer it according to the demand of yes or no, they are accused of being of evil. . Such is just diabolically STUPID. Common knowledge, as it is an endless occurrence in our world probably on a minute basis, that someone is asked a question and it is perceived in a manner that the person who asked the question didn’t intend. 

    Let me give an example,

    Question    Ed J: Did Jesus know he was “The Son of God” before Jordan?

     

    Answer      Jodi: Jesus before the Jordan knew that he would become the Son of God at the Jordan…

     

    ME:  The question itself NEEDED CLARIFICATION

    THE QUESTION WAS,

    Did Jesus know he was “the Son of God” before Jordan?

    There are 2 ways one could perceive this question

    1. Is the question asking if Jesus believed he was the Son of God before Jordan?

    Or

    1. Is the question asking if Jesus knew he would be the Son of God before Jordan?

    I replied giving clarification to a question that could be viewed 2 different ways by saying,

    “Jesus before the Jordan knew that he would become the Son of God at the Jordan.”

    My response answered the question as a YES if one is viewing the question according to #2. But since I didn’t know which one Ed J meant exactly and I saw that there could be two ways of looking at the question, I therefore COULDN’T simply answer with a yes or no.

    But because I didn’t just answer the question with a yes or a no, that led to the accusation of me being one coming from evil. 

     

    #843919
     Jodi 
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    Hi Gene,

    I know you realize it, and I am so thankful for you always expressing it. My long posts don’t come from as Ed J says my own bloated view, they come from much reading of passages. Much of the time I will spend several hours reading and re-reading passages before I post, to make certain that I am saying that which is from what I was just reading of God’s word. It’s amazing how I will give a paragraph that literally has nothing but quotes from scripture just all connected together and they don’t recognize a single word of it. You are right as much of the time they just don’t bother to read it. This morning when I woke up I thought about going back to a few of my recent paragraphs in my own word, and just adding in the direct quotes from scripture, maybe that would help them acknowledge what I say is not bloated at all. But I don’t think that would do much good as they don’t even acknowledge the majority of direct scriptures that I give them and bother to respond accordingly to them.

    It is interesting how Anthony and I have the same belief in one thing but t8 disagrees, t8 and Anthony have things they believe that I don’t, Nick and I have beliefs that are the same that Anthony and t8 don’t believe, but then Nick and t8 have a certain belief that I don’t. You and I have the same belief in just about all things, at least all the major and all the minor areas to God’s word that I can think of. For that I am truly thankful!!

    #843928
     Ed J 
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    Hi Ed J,

    You have a couple of major issues

    Hi Jodi,

    Miia doesn’t want us discussing this in her thread.
    I have imported our discussion to the same thread Gene did…

    The Ordinary Jesus Brigade

    #843929
     Ed J 
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    My long posts don’t come from as Ed J says my own bloated view, they come from much reading of passages.

    Jodi,

    I said your posts were bloated not your view.

    #843930
     Ed J 
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    It is interesting how Anthony and I have the same belief in one thing but t8 disagrees, t8 and Anthony have things they believe that I don’t, Nick and I have beliefs that are the same that Anthony and t8 don’t believe, but then Nick and t8 have a certain belief that I don’t. You and I have the same belief in just about all things, at least all the major and all the minor areas to God’s word that I can think of. For that I am truly thankful!!

    Hi Jodi,

    Do you agree with anything I say?

    #843936
     Ed J 
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    My long posts don’t come from as Ed J says my own bloated view, they come from much reading of passages.

    Hi Jodi,

    Bloated posts have far to many points to address, and that is the problem.
    Sticking to one point at a time is much better. Communicating is key!

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #843937
     Ed J 
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    Hi Jodi,

    Making your ideas understood is what is important here.
    You or Miia either shouldn’t scoff at y/n clarifying questions.
    Yet both of you seem to for some unknown strange reasoning?

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #843938
     GeneBalthrop 
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    To all……could it be because no one has “all” the truth, as Paul said we look through an obscured glass, and we see in part,  and are we not to grow in grace and “knowledge” of the truth?  I KNOW I DON’T SEE “EVERY” THING EXACTLY RIGHT,  yet, but a time will come when we all will see things that we descuss here in exactly the right way. 

    I personally like it when others give scriptures and  sound reasoning to support scriptures, like JODI does  and others too at times. If we read what someone is saying with the idea that we don’t have “all” understanding  yet, we are then open for more “truth”,  to add to our understanding,  we are told to seek, ask, knock, for it. I also believe the Spirit of truth, gives those who have it a special cognisity of the truth when we hear it, or read it.  Again I never believe I have all truth yet, but I have by the Spirit of truth, the ability to perceive it when I hear it, ì believe. We all should ask God the Father for more Spirit of truth and when we recieve it, that He give us the ability to present it clearly for the benefit of us all, not just ourselves. 

    Good descussions produce good fruit that we all can grow by. IMO

    Peace and love to you all and yours. …….gene

    #843957
     miia 
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    Jodi said:

    Hi Ed J,

    You have a couple of major issues,

    # 1 You are using the passage out of context, “36 nor by thy head mayest thou swear, because thou art not able one hair to make white or black; 37 but let your word be, Yes, Yes, No, No, and that which is more than these is of the evil.”

    You do NOT comprehend what Jesus’s was saying. It has NOTHING to do with someone asking a theological question that is based on their own belief, and then someone being of evil if they don’t answer that question with a yes or no answer.. Such is diabolically STUPID. Jesus was saying that if you are asked to do something or maybe it is to not do something, you simply say yes or no according to the sincerity of the intent of your heart, and not say you will do it as you are able to as if you are a god, as you do not even have the capability to even turn one hair on your own head white or blackWhen you swear on something that you actually have no absolute control over, you are a fool, you are of evil, as you see your self with godlike capabilities. Only God’s word is powerful and true, where man’s might come from the best intentions but it is certainly not a guarantee, so thus you shall not swear by your word. 

    Completely. I don’t know why Ed J and T8 have misunderstood that?

    #843958
     miia 
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    Ed J said:

    Hi Miia,

    If some thing is true, then everyone should be able to understand it.
    Thus the need for clarifying “Yes” or “No” questions arises.

    You should not have a problem with this; do you? “Yes” or “No” <– please answer

    I have a problem with anyone here being forced to answer ‘Yes’, ‘No’ or ‘I don’t know’ to questions that don’t necessarily make sense to the person being questioned, and yourself and T8 misunderstanding Jesus’ words to force an answer.

    #843959
     miia 
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    Gene said:

     

    To all……could it be because no one has “all” the truth, as Paul said we look through an obscured glass, and we see in part,  and are we not to grow in grace and “knowledge” of the truth?  I KNOW I DON’T SEE “EVERY” THING EXACTLY RIGHT,  yet, but a time will come when we all will see things that we descuss here in exactly the right way. 

    I personally like it when others give scriptures and  sound reasoning to support scriptures, like JODI does  and others too at times. If we read what someone is saying with the idea that we don’t have “all” understanding  yet, we are then open for more “truth”,  to add to our understanding,  we are told to seek, ask, knock, for it. I also believe the Spirit of truth, gives those who have it a special cognisity of the truth when we hear it, or read it.  Again I never believe I have all truth yet, but I have by the Spirit of truth, the ability to perceive it when I hear it, ì believe. We all should ask God the Father for more Spirit of truth and when we recieve it, that He give us the ability to present it clearly for the benefit of us all, not just ourselves. 

    Good descussions produce good fruit that we all can grow by. IMO

    Peace and love to you all and yours. …….gene

    Amen.

    #843960
     miia 
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    Ed J asked:

     

    Is it better to chatter on and on like a propaganda machine,
    than to consolidate the truth for all to understand? “Yes” or “No”

     

    It is better to answer with short posts, because reading is wearisome especially in today’s internet age. But demanding ‘Yes’, ‘No’ answers is not biblical.

    #843961
     Ed J 
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    Hi Miia,

    If the question does not make sense then the honest answer is “I don’t know” is it not?
    Shouldn’t you want your beliefs understood and tested? You want people to remain in error?

    “let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay:
    for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.” (Matthew 5:37)
    “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil.” (1Thess.5:21-22)

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #843963
     Ed J 
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    “That they do good, that they be rich in good works,
    ready to distribute, willing to communicate;” (1 Tim 6:18)
    and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh
    you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear” (1 Peter 3:15)

    #843964
     Ed J 
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    But demanding ‘Yes’, ‘No’ answers is not biblical.

    Matthew 5:37 says otherwise

    #843970
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Edj….you certainly read a lot into things written,  the very scripture you quote says nothing about make any “demand” for a yes/no answer,  who do you think you are to demand  anything from anyone here?  Your  answers here, 98% of the time  are never a simply yes/no, not since I have at least .  Forcing scriptures to say what you want them to say is a big problem with you, so Stop being a Hypocrite Edj.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #843979
     Ed J 
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    Stop being a Hypocrite Edj

    no reason to call me names Gene,
    when you ask y/n questions I answer them.

    Hardly Hypocrisy Gene

    #844014
     t8 
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    Be like Jesus

    So the high priest stood up before them and questioned Jesus, “Have You no answer? What are these men testifying against You?”

    But Jesus remained silent and made no reply.

    Again the high priest questioned Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?”

    “I am,” said Jesus, “and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.”…

    Jesus had no problem answering yes or no questions. While he initially hesitated because he knew the truth would be highly offensive, he was not a liar or deceiver and thus he answered honestly regardless of the outcome.

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