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Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2011,21:13) but you do not show your true demonstration what is more like this; 1 rat +1 dog +1 horse =3 rats
1rat +1 dog= 2 rats
so this is not possible
Good one Pierre!
Not to mention that her desire is to have 1 + 1 = 1
Pierre,
you said:Quote your calculation in your demonstration is correct, but you do not show your true demonstration what is more like this;
1 rat +1 dog +1 horse =3 rats
1rat +1 dog= 2 rats
so this is not possible
And that is why you cannot understand…you see three different types being added together.
How about this equation:
1 human father + 1 human mother + 1 son =1 human family
That is 1+1+1=1
You just need to know what you are adding together and what that makes when you add them together.1 divine father + 1 divine son = 1 divine unity
Kathi
Mike,
You said:Quote No, actually you showed me where ONE demon who was doing the speaking said “MY name is Legion, for WE are many”. Now that obviously means that he ALONE is called “Legion” to represent that he is the LEADER of the many – because one would NEVER use a singular, personal pronoun to refer to a group of more than one persons. Blind?
You are in denial! You make it sound like one of the demons had the name 'Legion' while the others each had their own separate names. That doesn't hold water when you consider the definition of the word 'Legion' and these three verses.
Mark 5:9 NAS
And He was asking him, “What is your name ?” And he said to Him, “My name is Legion ; for we are many.”Mark 5:15 NAS
They came to Jesus and observed the man who had been demon-possessed sitting down, clothed and in his right mind, the very man who had hadthe “legion “; and they became frightened.Luke 8:30 NAS
And Jesus asked him, “What is your name ?” And he said, “Legion “; for many demons had entered him.Definition of the word legion:
a legion, a body of soldiers whose number differed at different times, and in the time of Augustus seems to have consisted of 6826 men (i.e. 6100 foot soldiers, and 726 horsemen)
Matt 26:53
53 “Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?Mike, do you think that there were more than twelve angels with the name “Legion??” NOT!
Quote Why don't you just find a different example from ANYWHERE IN HISTORY – one that CLEARLY shows a group of more than one person being referred to as a “HE” or a “HIM”, okay? I have clearly shown you an example that uses singular personal pronouns in reference to the name of a group of beings. You can take it or leave it but if you leave it then you will show a bias and hard headedness, imo.
I really don't even have to give you ONE parallel example for the unity of the Father and the Son to be referred to as a singular personal pronoun for it to be so. And your hard headedness does not make it NOT so. But I did give you an example, two…America and the Legion. I will move on from that argument since it does not hold water…you have a hole in your bucket dear Liza, dear Liza.
Quote So then “God Most High” is only the Father? So then we don't have two EQUAL “mighty Gods” who meld together to make one Almighty God? Instead, it's more like we have one Colonel and one foot soldier that meld into a General? The one is always higher than the other? Well, at least that's starting to make more sense. We do have two that are equally mighty Gods, within their relationship there is the position of Father to Son…the greater to the lessor, not greater or lessor in wisdom or might or attributes, but because one is the Father and the other the Son.
Quote So our two Gods really never become ONE? They are always TWO separate Gods who are “with” each other? Why then would the “name of their unity” be “Jehovah God”? Why not “Jehovah Gods”? As a unity they are the fullness of ONE authority to love and care for creation, in the act of creating, managing, and saving, etc. That one authority is called Jehovah our God.
Quote No Kathi, what we have is ONE God. His name is Jehovah and He is the Almighty Maker of heaven and earth. I know Mike, we have ONE God and His name is Jehovah our God, the union of the God of gods (the Father) AND the Lord of lords (the Son), the Almighty maker of heaven and earth.
14“Behold, to the LORD your God belong heaven and the highest heavens, the earth and all that is in it. 15“Yet on your fathers did the LORD set His affection to love them, and He chose their descendants after them, even you above all peoples, as it is this day. 16“So circumcise your heart, and stiffen your neck no longer. 17“For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.
Stiffen your neck no longer
Also, don't expect swimming to be relaxing when you are a dad to a 10 year old with 3 friends and their are swimming with you. It doesn't work that way.
God bless,
KathiKathi
Quote And that is why you cannot understand…you see three different types being added together. How about this equation:
1 human father + 1 human mother + 1 son =1 human family
That is 1+1+1=1
You just need to know what you are adding together and what that makes when you add them together.1 divine father + 1 divine son = 1 divine unity
Kathi
this may be seen in this way with humans but do not apply to God and his first created Son(first created being)
Jn 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
Jn 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:Pierre
Kathi! just because the Father and the Son are in unity in what they understand, that does not mean that now Jesus can be worshiped. Jesus said that my Father is greater then I. Jesus also said that He came down from Heaven not to do His will, but the will of Him that sent Him. Then we have the Scripture in Ephesians that the Father is above all. To compare them to a Lion of Demons is not a far comparison at all. And most of all, since we received Gods Holy Spirit we too become one with the Father and His Son. That gives no one a reason to worship us either…. Sorry I don't believe that both are the Jehovah God. Only Almighty God has that name. Where is it in Scripture that makes them both Jehovah God? Jehovah means Yahweh in Hebrew. The name occurs 6,823 times in the Old Test. but yet in my King James it is only written 4 times. It was replaced with LORD in all capital letters. And when you see Lord that is for Jesus. That is the difference. Jesus is to be honored and not worshiped…. Peace and Love Irene
Irene,
Read this and the next post about how one of the scholar's explains about the oneness:Read this passage and then Gill's commentary on it. I agree with Gill here.
20“I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22“The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. 24“Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25“O righteous Father, although the world has not known You, yet I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me; 26and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
And the glory which thou gavest me,…. Not the glory of his deity; this is the same with his Father, what he has in right of nature, and not by gift; nor can it be communicated to creatures; this would be to make them one in the Godhead, as the three are one, which is not the design of the expression in the close of the verse: nor his mediatorial glory, which he had with the Father before the world began; this indeed was given him by the Father, but is not given to the saints: nor the glory, of working miracles; which glory Christ had, and which, as man, he had from the Father, and in which his own glory was manifested; this he gave to his disciples; but all that are his have not had it, and some have had it who are none of his: rather the Gospel is meant, which is glorious in its author, matter and subject, in its doctrines, in the blessing: grace it reveals, and promises it contains, and in the efficacy and usefulness of it to the souls of men. This was given to Christ, and he gave it to his disciples:I have given them; as he did the words that were given to him, John 17:8,
that they may be one, even as we are one; for the Gospel was given to the apostles, and still is to the ministers of it, to bring men to the unity of the faith, for the perfecting of the saints, and the edifying of the body of Christ: or else the fulness both of grace and glory, which is in Christ's hands for his people, is here designed. This is one considerable branch of the glory of Christ, as Mediator, to be full of grace and truth; this was given him by the Father, and is what he communicates to his; even the Spirit, and all sorts of grace, and every supply of it; and which greatly contributes to the union of the saints among themselves: yea, eternal happiness is often signified by glory; and this is given to Christ; he has it in his hands to give to others; and he does give it, a view of it, a right unto it, a meetness for it, a pledge of it, some foretastes of it, and a kind of a possession of it; for the saints have it already, at least in him; and he will give them the actual enjoyment of it, and this in order to their consummate and perfect union together, as a glorious church without spot or wrinkle, or any such thing.
http://bible.cc/john/17-22.htm
Also, next post…
More about the Father and Jesus being one…
“I and the Father are one.”
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
I and my Father are one. Not in person, for the Father must be a distinct person from the Son, and the Son a distinct person from the Father; and which is further manifest, from the use of the verb plural, “I and my Father”, “we are one”; that is, in nature and essence, and perfections, particularly in power; since Christ is speaking of the impossibility of plucking any of the sheep, out of his own and his Father's hands; giving this as a reason for it, their unity of nature, and equality of power; so that it must be as impracticable to pluck them out of his hands, as out of his Father's, because he is equal with God the Father, and the one God with him. The Jew (p) objects, that“if the sense of this expression is, that the Father and the Son are one, as the Nazarenes understand and believe it, it will be found that Jesus himself destroys this saying, as it is written in Mark 13:32, for saith Jesus, “that day and that hour, there is knoweth, not the angels, nor the Son, but the Father only”; lo, these words show, that the Father and the Son are not one, since the Son does not know what the Father knows.''
But it should be observed, that Christ is both the Son of God, and the son of man, as the Christians believe; as he is the Son of God, he lay in the bosom of his Father, and was privy to all his secrets, to all his thoughts, purposes, and designs; and as such, he knew the day and hour of judgment, being God omniscient; and in this respect is one with the Father, having the same perfections of power, knowledge, &c. but then as the son of man, he is not of the same nature, and has not the same knowledge; his knowledge of things was derived, communicated, and not infinite; and did not reach to all things at once, but was capable of being increased, as it was: and it is with regard to him as the son of man, that Jesus speaks of himself in Mark 13:32;whereas he is here treating of his divine sonship, and almighty power; wherefore considered in the relation of the Son of God, and as possessed of the same perfections with God, he and his Father are one; though as man, he is different from him, and knew not some things he did: so that there is no contradiction between the words of Christ in one place, and in the other; nor is he chargeable with any blasphemy against God, or any arrogance in himself, by assuming deity to himself; nor deserving of punishment, even to be deprived of human life, as the Jew suggests; nor is what he produces from a Socinian writer, of any moment, that these words do not necessarily suppose, that the Father and the Son are of the same essence; since it may be said of two men, that they are one, end yet are not the same man, but one is one man, and the other another; for we do not say they are one and the same person, which does not follow from their being of one and the same nature, but that they are one God, and two distinct persons.
http://bible.cc/john/10-30.htm
Blessings,
KathiIrene,
you asked:Quote Where is it in Scripture that makes them both Jehovah God? Irene, read this post through carefully…
Deut 10:17 “For the LORD your God is the God of gods AND the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.
Now read this:
Rev 7:14 “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.”Rev 19:16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”
Now, Irene, tell me who is the 'Lord of lords' in these verses from Revelations.
If you said Jesus, you are correct and you find Him as part of who Jehovah (the LORD) our God is with the Father who is 'God of gods' in the above verse from Deuteronomy.
Remember, Paul tells us exactly who is the one God and who is the one Lord.
1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
It is plain Irene. “Jehovah our God” is the name of the unity of the Father and the Son.
Mark 12:28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
29“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD (Jehovah) our God, the LORD (Jehovah) is one.e 30Love the LORD (Jehovah) your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’f 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
Irene, do you think we are to worship the LORD our God?
Love to you little firecracker German girl,
KathiQuote
his would be to make them one in the Godhead, as the three are one, which is not the design of the expression in the close of the verse: nor hisKathi!
We are to worship The LORD our Heavenly Father, who is above all only….. Scriptures already given……in a previous post to you….
Three in the Godhead? that is a Trinatarian…is it not?. And I have proven to my self that the trinity is wrong….. i only read the first article…..If you want to believe what He preaches, it is up to you. But to me it is wrong….Irene Firecracker…… Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2011,15:27) Kathi Quote And that is why you cannot understand…you see three different types being added together. How about this equation:
1 human father + 1 human mother + 1 son =1 human family
That is 1+1+1=1
You just need to know what you are adding together and what that makes when you add them together.1 divine father + 1 divine son = 1 divine unity
Kathi
this may be seen in this way with humans but do not apply to God and his first created Son(first created being)
Jn 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
Jn 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:Pierre
Kathidid you see what it says John 17;21
they may be one as we are one:
this means 1= 1000,000,000, ?
Pierre
Quote (Lightenup @ July 18 2011,07:56)
You are in denial! You make it sound like one of the demons had the name 'Legion' while the others each had their own separate names. That doesn't hold water when you consider the definition of the word 'Legion' and these three verses.
Doesn't it? Let's see:
Luke 8:30 NAS
And Jesus asked him, “What is your name ?” And he said, “Legion “; for many demons had entered him.Kathi, who in this scripture answered, “Legion”?
Quote (Lightenup @ July 18 2011,07:56)
But I did give you an example, two…America and the Legion.
When is America referred to as a “HE”? The “Legion” thing is still under investigation. Quote (Lightenup @ July 18 2011,07:56)
We do have two that are equally mighty Gods, within their relationship there is the position of Father to Son…the greater to the lessor, not greater or lessor in wisdom or might or attributes, but because one is the Father and the other the Son.
But isn't a father generally greater than his son BECAUSE he's greater in wisdom, might, stature, and other such attributes? How is it that Jesus learned from his Father if they are both equally wise?Quote (Lightenup @ July 18 2011,07:56)
As a unity they are the fullness of ONE authority
I see. So when Paul thanks GOD through our Lord Jesus Christ, he is thanking the fullness of the authority of Jesus AND the Father through Jesus? I wonder why we have to approach the One known to us as “God” THROUGH the Son OF God? Wouldn't we have already appoached “God” directly just by getting as far as Jesus? How about when Paul thanks “God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”? (Col 1:3) Isn't this “God” that Paul is thanking the combo of Jesus AND the Father?This sounds to me like the fullness of ONE authority is the Father of Jesus. Is Jesus his own dad?
Quote (Lightenup @ July 18 2011,07:56)
I know Mike, we have ONE God and His name is Jehovah our God, the union of the God of gods (the Father) AND the Lord of lords (the Son), the Almighty maker of heaven and earth.
Sorry Sunshine. You can claim it until you are blue in the face, but the FACT remains that our ONE God begot a Son named Jesus. Jesus is not “God the Son”, but “the Son of God”.We don't have two mighty Beings who have always existed side by side, one of whom, for some unknown reason, just happened to take the role of the son of the other. If you could step back and look from the outside of this, you would see how ludicrous your whole doctrine is.
Like I said, I've entertained your fantasy long enough for now. Let's continue on this “Legion” thing, but as far claiming over and over how we really have TWO Gods, give it up. No one is buying it.
peace,
mikeQuote (Lightenup @ July 18 2011,07:09) And that is why you cannot understand…you see three different types being added together. How about this equation:
1 human father + 1 human mother + 1 son =1 human family
That is 1+1+1=1
You just need to know what you are adding together and what that makes when you add them together.1 divine father + 1 divine son = 1 divine unity
Let's do you equation on an apples to apples basis. You say we have two mighty Gods who form the “unity” of one Almighty God, right? So to be fair, you equation should look more like this:1 human father + 1 human father = 1 human father
That better corresponds to:
1 God + 1 God = 1 God
Right?
mike
Brought over from the Titus thread, per Kathi's request:
Quote (Lightenup @ July 10 2011,21:28)
You wouldn't be speaking to your father if he never had children would you
That doesn't address my point at all, Kathi. If I talk to my EARTH father, I don't imagine I'm talking to him AND one of his other sons at the same time. So why, when I talk to my HEAVENLY Father, would I imagine I'm talking to Him AND one of HIS other sons at the same time?Quote (Lightenup @ July 10 2011,21:28)
The Son through whom all things came always was our one Lord.
And who was it that MADE him Lord even back then? Who appointed him? Who set him on Zion? Who gave him everything he has? Who brought him forth?Btw, what scripture tells you that Jesus was “always” our Lord?
Quote (Lightenup @ July 10 2011,21:28)
The wife doesn't need to be sitting next to the man for him to be the family man, she just needs to be his wife.
So then your “mighty + mighty = Almighty” equation was flawed, huh? Because if the Father has ALWAYS been and Jesus has ALWAYS been, then BOTH of them have ALWAYS been Almighty, right? So Jesus BY HIMSELF is Almighty, simply because the Father exists. And the Father BY HIMSELF is Almighty, simply because Jesus exists. Is this correct?Quote (Lightenup @ July 10 2011,21:28)
According to the humanity of Jesus, God made Him Lord and Christ but according to His divinity through whom all things came, He always was our one Lord.
And how do you explain Paul thanking the God OF our Lord Jesus Christ? Does our Lord Almighty HAVE a God of His own? Or could 8:6 be placing our God and our Lord in their respective ranks? The One who is our “God” is the HEAD of the one who is our Lord, right?Quote (Lightenup @ July 10 2011,21:28)
Mike if someone was almighty would he not also be mighty? Geesh!
EXACTLY! Gotcha! See, it was YOU who brought up the “fact” that when God is only called “mighty”, it is referring to ONLY the Father, and when He is called “Almighty”, it refers to the Father WITH His Son.It was YOU who claimed that since Jesus is called “mighty god” AND the Father is called “mighty god”, that it takes BOTH of them to make the combo “Almighty God”.
But it seems you ARE smart enough to know that our ONLY Almighty God could also be called a “mighty God”, without taking away from the fact He is still ALMIGHTY.
How's your new invented doctrine holding up so far?
Mike,
First you say:Quote
Like I said, I've entertained your fantasy long enough for now. Let's continue on this “Legion” thing, but as far claiming over and over how we really have TWO Gods, give it up. No one is buying it.
And then in the very next post only 5 minutes later, you are discussing the two Gods equation. You can stop discussing it but I'm not…sorry Stormcloud
Quote (Pastry @ July 18 2011,17:42) Quote
his would be to make them one in the Godhead, as the three are one, which is not the design of the expression in the close of the verse: nor hisKathi!
We are to worship The LORD our Heavenly Father, who is above all only….. Scriptures already given……in a previous post to you….
Three in the Godhead? that is a Trinatarian…is it not?. And I have proven to my self that the trinity is wrong….. i only read the first article…..If you want to believe what He preaches, it is up to you. But to me it is wrong….Irene Firecracker……
Irene,
Pay attention to what he says about the oneness of the Father and the Son; that is what I am agreeing with. I know you disagree about the trinity and I am not wanting to make a discussion about the trinity but about the oneness between the Father and the Son. Try to sift out the trinity stuff, ok? Now read both articles, please, and read my post after the articles too…again.It really is plain and simple if you just open yourself up to learn something that you have not thought about before.
Love,
KathiQuote (terraricca @ July 18 2011,19:13) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2011,15:27) Kathi Quote And that is why you cannot understand…you see three different types being added together. How about this equation:
1 human father + 1 human mother + 1 son =1 human family
That is 1+1+1=1
You just need to know what you are adding together and what that makes when you add them together.1 divine father + 1 divine son = 1 divine unity
Kathi
this may be seen in this way with humans but do not apply to God and his first created Son(first created being)
Jn 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
Jn 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:Pierre
Kathidid you see what it says John 17;21
they may be one as we are one:
this means 1= 1000,000,000, ?
Pierre
Pierre,
You didn't read the articles that I put up. Read it but sift out the trinity stuff and focus on the oneness of the Father to the Son.Kathi
Mike,
This is the equation, both the Father and the Son are the same nature, no need to change it:1 divine father + 1 divine son = 1 divine unity
Mike,
you said:Quote Doesn't it? Let's see:
Luke 8:30 NAS
And Jesus asked him, “What is your name ?” And he said, “Legion “; for many demons had entered him.Kathi, who in this scripture answered, “Legion”?
One of the demons answered as the representative of the group. The name of the group was 'legion.'
Quote When is America referred to as a “HE”? The “Legion” thing is still under investigation.
The America thing shows how a unity takes a singular pronoun.
The Legion thing shows how a unity takes a singular pronoun at times and a plural pronoun at times.Quote But isn't a father generally greater than his son BECAUSE he's greater in wisdom, might, stature, and other such attributes? How is it that Jesus learned from his Father if they are both equally wise?
A human father who was created is greater because he is older, he is wiser because he is older, he is stronger because he is older, etc. A human father is greater in many ways because he is older. In Jesus' case, Jesus was greater than John even though He was younger.The Heavenly Father is not a human father so the same does not apply. God, the Father taught Jesus, the man. The pre-existent Son always had the wisdom of God and the power of God. If Jesus needed to be taught or given anything, it was because the pre-existent Son gave up things in order to be like us. Before He gave them up, He wasn't given things except the will of His Father, imo. He always had the wisdom and power of God. He gave up things to become like us, what he gave up we aren't specifically told.
Quote see. So when Paul thanks GOD through our Lord Jesus Christ, he is thanking the fullness of the authority of Jesus AND the Father through Jesus? I wonder why we have to approach the One known to us as “God” THROUGH the Son OF God? Wouldn't we have already appoached “God” directly just by getting as far as Jesus? How about when Paul thanks “God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”? (Col 1:3) Isn't this “God” that Paul is thanking the combo of Jesus AND the Father? This sounds to me like the fullness of ONE authority is the Father of Jesus. Is Jesus his own dad?
The full authority of God requires the Father and the Son's existence and participation. The authority of the Father to give mercy and grace is due to the participation of the Son to come as man and redeem man with His blood.
We go to God through the ministry of the Son as the Messiah.
Quote You can claim it until you are blue in the face, but the FACT remains that our ONE God begot a Son named Jesus. Jesus is not “God the Son”, but “the Son of God”. It is certainly true that the Son was begotten by the Father but that doesn't mean that the Son wasn't always there to be begotten.
The FACT is that the Son who was begotten was with the Father in the beginning and is referred to as:God over all, forever praised
our God and Savior Jesus Christ
our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ
in very nature God
the only begotten God
My Lord and my God
God with us
the mighty God
see here: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….0;st=10Quote We don't have two mighty Beings who have always existed side by side, one of whom, for some unknown reason, just happened to take the role of the son of the other. If you could step back and look from the outside of this, you would see how ludicrous your whole doctrine is. They always existed as a unity, the Father in the Son and the Son in the Father.
He is the Son because He was begotten from the Father as one with the same nature as the Father.“Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.
Good night…pleasant dreams,
KathiQuote (Lightenup @ July 19 2011,22:31) Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2011,19:13) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2011,15:27) Kathi Quote And that is why you cannot understand…you see three different types being added together. How about this equation:
1 human father + 1 human mother + 1 son =1 human family
That is 1+1+1=1
You just need to know what you are adding together and what that makes when you add them together.1 divine father + 1 divine son = 1 divine unity
Kathi
this may be seen in this way with humans but do not apply to God and his first created Son(first created being)
Jn 10:16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
Jn 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:Pierre
Kathidid you see what it says John 17;21
they may be one as we are one:
this means 1= 1000,000,000, ?
Pierre
Pierre,
You didn't read the articles that I put up. Read it but sift out the trinity stuff and focus on the oneness of the Father to the Son.Kathi
KathiI do not fallow men s works ,but scriptures if you do not show them to me in your comment that means you do not have any to back up your story,and so your story is not scriptural.
Pierre
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