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Jesus was worshiped by many and still is as the Lord of lords and our mighty God, as the Son of God, with His Father who is God of gods.
Jehovah our God is the God of gods AND the Lord of lords! We are to worship Jehovah our God…when we do in truth, we understand that there are two that are one as Jehovah our God. The Father and the Son…the God of gods (the Father) AND the Lord of lords (the Son).
God bless,
Kathi
Feel free to rewrite the scriptures any way you see fit, Kathi! 
Who did your Lord say we were to worship and serve as God?
Mike,
It is clear who we are to worship…the Lord our God who is the God of gods (the Father) and the Lord of lords (the Son).
Luke 10:25And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 28And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”
Mike, according to Luke 10:27 it is the Lord our God that we worship. And Deut. 10:17 tells us who is the Lord our God:
Deut 10:17 “For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
3 you shall have no other gods before me.36“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38“This is the great and foremost commandment. 39“The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ 40“On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
Mark 12:28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
29“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.e 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’f 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
32“Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
34When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.
Whose Son Is the Christ?
35While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, “How is it that the teachers of the law say that the Christh is the son of David? 36David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared:
“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’i
37David himself calls him ‘Lord.’ How then can he be his son?”The large crowd listened to him with delight.
Isn't that cool how the topic in the above passage is about loving the Lord your God from the first and most important commandment and then it goes on about how Jesus is called Lord by David, and in Deuteronomy we are told who the Lord our God is…the God of gods and the Lord of lords. We are told by Jesus that the Father and Him are ONE, and we are told in a few places that Jesus is the Lord of lords, and we are told that for us there is one God, the Father and ONE LORD, Jesus Christ. This is all so awesome how God is showing how this all works together.
Rev 17:4 “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful
John 10:30″I and the Father are one.”
1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
Thanks for bringing up the old topic of 'Worship' Mike…kudos!
Love to you,
KathiYeah and Kathi you are to love your neighbour as yourself, you don't do that do you. You pick and choose. That is the second commandment (let me take the log out of my eye). So a bit hypocritical don't you think?
And so, Jesus said
“That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
So should we all worship each other too?
How many gods are there? (to Worship).
The Bible says one, you say two, and according to your theory ,millions of gods to worship, even though Jesus said the LORD is one, even though the Old Testement said the LORD is one.
I would rather trust my Bible than(k) you.
“Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Shimmer,
Here is a true story about loving neighbors as yourself. I have a neighbor on the left side of me with a very friendly, kind dog and I have a neighbor on the right of me with a very mean spirited dog. The mean spirited dog attacked and bit my son who was out jogging in the neighborhood about 8 days ago. Out of love for the neighbor, the dog just got 'reported' and not attacked back. The kind dog is often found wandering through my house getting his belly rubbed. Each neighbor is different and love is shown in different ways.If my dog was mean spirited and attacking and biting the neighbors, I would sure want to know about it before it killed someone.
Quote (Lightenup @ July 14 2011,17:43) Shimmer,
Here is a true story about loving neighbors as yourself. I have a neighbor on the left side of me with a very friendly, kind dog and I have a neighbor on the right of me with a very mean spirited dog. The mean spirited dog attacked and bit my son who was out jogging in the neighborhood about 8 days ago. Out of love for the neighbor, the dog just got 'reported' and not attacked back. The kind dog is often found wandering through my house getting his belly rubbed. Each neighbor is different and love is shown in different ways.If my dog was mean spirited and attacking and biting the neighbors, I would sure want to know about it before it killed someone.
Greetings Kathi ….. Love is a very potent emotion and perhaps as strong as hate and in some cases overpowering….When we speak of love for our neighbor….How do you love a neighbor whose irresponsible behavior (such as having a vicious antisocial animal)puts your son in danger…. We should consider Empathy as the operative term because human nature does not have the ability to love someone who could care less about your comfort or well being ….. Empathy for your enemy is a form of love and consideration of the fact that we all fall short..Jesus felt empathy for the money changes in the temple court and rebuked them and immedietly after he proceeded to kick some butt by turning the place out…Hi Ted,
We can't love like we are supposed to so we ask God to love through us and we act by faith on that. He loves through us according to what the person needs for their benefit in the long run. He promises to work everything out for good for those who love the Lord.Blessings,
KathiQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 13 2011,21:00) Feel free to rewrite the scriptures any way you see fit, Kathi! Who did your Lord say we were to worship and serve as God?
MikeWhy don't you enlighten us and tell us how you worship the Father?
Give us an example of your use of the word “worship” when refering to the Father!
WJ
Quote (theodorej @ July 15 2011,06:48) Quote (Lightenup @ July 14 2011,17:43) Shimmer,
Here is a true story about loving neighbors as yourself. I have a neighbor on the left side of me with a very friendly, kind dog and I have a neighbor on the right of me with a very mean spirited dog. The mean spirited dog attacked and bit my son who was out jogging in the neighborhood about 8 days ago. Out of love for the neighbor, the dog just got 'reported' and not attacked back. The kind dog is often found wandering through my house getting his belly rubbed. Each neighbor is different and love is shown in different ways.If my dog was mean spirited and attacking and biting the neighbors, I would sure want to know about it before it killed someone.
Greetings Kathi ….. Love is a very potent emotion and perhaps as strong as hate and in some cases overpowering….When we speak of love for our neighbor….How do you love a neighbor whose irresponsible behavior (such as having a vicious antisocial animal)puts your son in danger…. We should consider Empathy as the operative term because human nature does not have the ability to love someone who could care less about your comfort or well being ….. Empathy for your enemy is a form of love and consideration of the fact that we all fall short..Jesus felt empathy for the money changes in the temple court and rebuked them and immedietly after he proceeded to kick some butt by turning the place out…
theolook up what ;Agape ;means this love is not emotion but understood based on knowledge,
that the kind of love God want us to love him,
Pierre
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 15 2011,14:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 13 2011,21:00) Feel free to rewrite the scriptures any way you see fit, Kathi! Who did your Lord say we were to worship and serve as God?
MikeWhy don't you enlighten us and tell us how you worship the Father?
Give us an example of your use of the word “worship” when refering to the Father!
WJ
JW Quote Jehovah our God is the God of gods AND the Lord of lords! We are to worship Jehovah our God…when we do in truth, we understand that there are two that are one as Jehovah our God. The Father and the Son…the God of gods (the Father) AND the Lord of lords (the Son). –lighten up
I thought there were 3? Why do we so often forget the third? Hardly even mentioned as part of the trinity in comparison to how often these 2 are.
Quote We are told by Jesus that the Father and Him are ONE –lighten up
This argument makes me so very angry. I do understand why it is misused. But I have to feel that everyone who uses it feels bad about themselves for doing so. (later, Jesus says that he and his disciples are “one” Just As he and the father are one. So unless you are willing to admit that trinitarians are also part of the trinity, it is grossly inconsistent to use this as proof of a trinity)
Quote (Lightenup @ July 14 2011,15:48) Mike, It is clear who we are to worship…the Lord our God who is the God of gods (the Father) and the Lord of lords (the Son).
Luke 10:25And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27And he answered, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 28And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE.”
Mike, according to Luke 10:27 it is the Lord our God that we worship. And Deut. 10:17 tells us who is the Lord our God:
Deut 10:17 “For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
3 you shall have no other gods before me.36“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38“This is the great and foremost commandment. 39“The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ 40“On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
Mark 12:28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
29“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.e 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’f 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
32“Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
34When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.
Whose Son Is the Christ?
35While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, “How is it that the teachers of the law say that the Christh is the son of David? 36David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared:
“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’i
37David himself calls him ‘Lord.’ How then can he be his son?”The large crowd listened to him with delight.
Isn't that cool how the topic in the above passage is about loving the Lord your God from the first and most important commandment and then it goes on about how Jesus is called Lord by David, and in Deuteronomy we are told who the Lord our God is…the God of gods and the Lord of lords. We are told by Jesus that the Father and Him are ONE, and we are told in a few places that Jesus is the Lord of lords, and we are told that for us there is one God, the Father and ONE LORD, Jesus Christ. This is all so awesome how God is showing how this all works together.
Rev 17:4 “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful
John 10:30″I and the Father are one.”
1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
Thanks for bringing up the old topic of 'Worship' Mike…kudos!
Love to you,
Kathi
It's interesting that you say it is “clear” who we should worship, and then you go ahead and point out scriptures that deal with who we should love (rather than pointing out what you said was so clear)David,
you said on your posts on this page:Quote I thought there were 3? Why do we so often forget the third? Hardly even mentioned as part of the trinity in comparison to how often these 2 are. I am glad that you can see the two. I do not understand 'three persons' nor do I speak of a trinity doctrine. I do believe the deity of an eternal Son with the Father. I have not found the Bible to teach a third person who is the Holy Spirit. I pray that God shows me this if I am in error. I understand the Holy Spirit to be not a mere 'force' but the 'spirit' within the Father and the 'spirit' within the Son that while remaining in both, can extend from both and be united as one spirit within believers.
Quote It's interesting that you say it is “clear” who we should worship, and then you go ahead and point out scriptures that deal with who we should love (rather than pointing out what you said was so clear) If you have trouble with finding the object of your worship in the first commandment then you need to go back to milk and aren't ready for meat.
More to come…
KathiDavid,
I think you get angry for a lack of understanding. Once again, I am not speaking of a trinity as in the trinity doctrine but the eternal deity of the Son with the Father.you said:
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This argument makes me so very angry. I do understand why it is misused. But I have to feel that everyone who uses it feels bad about themselves for doing so. (later, Jesus says that he and his disciples are “one” Just As he and the father are one. So unless you are willing to admit that trinitarians are also part of the trinity, it is grossly inconsistent to use this as proof of a trinity)Read this passage and then Gill's commentary on it. I agree with Gill here.
20“I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22“The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. 24“Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25“O righteous Father, although the world has not known You, yet I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me; 26and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
And the glory which thou gavest me,…. Not the glory of his deity; this is the same with his Father, what he has in right of nature, and not by gift; nor can it be communicated to creatures; this would be to make them one in the Godhead, as the three are one, which is not the design of the expression in the close of the verse: nor his mediatorial glory, which he had with the Father before the world began; this indeed was given him by the Father, but is not given to the saints: nor the glory, of working miracles; which glory Christ had, and which, as man, he had from the Father, and in which his own glory was manifested; this he gave to his disciples; but all that are his have not had it, and some have had it who are none of his: rather the Gospel is meant, which is glorious in its author, matter and subject, in its doctrines, in the blessing: grace it reveals, and promises it contains, and in the efficacy and usefulness of it to the souls of men. This was given to Christ, and he gave it to his disciples:I have given them; as he did the words that were given to him, John 17:8,
that they may be one, even as we are one; for the Gospel was given to the apostles, and still is to the ministers of it, to bring men to the unity of the faith, for the perfecting of the saints, and the edifying of the body of Christ: or else the fulness both of grace and glory, which is in Christ's hands for his people, is here designed. This is one considerable branch of the glory of Christ, as Mediator, to be full of grace and truth; this was given him by the Father, and is what he communicates to his; even the Spirit, and all sorts of grace, and every supply of it; and which greatly contributes to the union of the saints among themselves: yea, eternal happiness is often signified by glory; and this is given to Christ; he has it in his hands to give to others; and he does give it, a view of it, a right unto it, a meetness for it, a pledge of it, some foretastes of it, and a kind of a possession of it; for the saints have it already, at least in him; and he will give them the actual enjoyment of it, and this in order to their consummate and perfect union together, as a glorious church without spot or wrinkle, or any such thing.
http://bible.cc/john/17-22.htm
Also, next post…
More about the Father and Jesus being one…
“I and the Father are one.”
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
I and my Father are one. Not in person, for the Father must be a distinct person from the Son, and the Son a distinct person from the Father; and which is further manifest, from the use of the verb plural, “I and my Father”, “we are one”; that is, in nature and essence, and perfections, particularly in power; since Christ is speaking of the impossibility of plucking any of the sheep, out of his own and his Father's hands; giving this as a reason for it, their unity of nature, and equality of power; so that it must be as impracticable to pluck them out of his hands, as out of his Father's, because he is equal with God the Father, and the one God with him. The Jew (p) objects, that“if the sense of this expression is, that the Father and the Son are one, as the Nazarenes understand and believe it, it will be found that Jesus himself destroys this saying, as it is written in Mark 13:32, for saith Jesus, “that day and that hour, there is knoweth, not the angels, nor the Son, but the Father only”; lo, these words show, that the Father and the Son are not one, since the Son does not know what the Father knows.''
But it should be observed, that Christ is both the Son of God, and the son of man, as the Christians believe; as he is the Son of God, he lay in the bosom of his Father, and was privy to all his secrets, to all his thoughts, purposes, and designs; and as such, he knew the day and hour of judgment, being God omniscient; and in this respect is one with the Father, having the same perfections of power, knowledge, &c. but then as the son of man, he is not of the same nature, and has not the same knowledge; his knowledge of things was derived, communicated, and not infinite; and did not reach to all things at once, but was capable of being increased, as it was: and it is with regard to him as the son of man, that Jesus speaks of himself in Mark 13:32;whereas he is here treating of his divine sonship, and almighty power; wherefore considered in the relation of the Son of God, and as possessed of the same perfections with God, he and his Father are one; though as man, he is different from him, and knew not some things he did: so that there is no contradiction between the words of Christ in one place, and in the other; nor is he chargeable with any blasphemy against God, or any arrogance in himself, by assuming deity to himself; nor deserving of punishment, even to be deprived of human life, as the Jew suggests; nor is what he produces from a Socinian writer, of any moment, that these words do not necessarily suppose, that the Father and the Son are of the same essence; since it may be said of two men, that they are one, end yet are not the same man, but one is one man, and the other another; for we do not say they are one and the same person, which does not follow from their being of one and the same nature, but that they are one God, and two distinct persons.
http://bible.cc/john/10-30.htm
Blessings,
KathiHi:
I don't have the time to read all that has been said in the Thread, and so, I do not know if the following scripture has been brought forth or not:
It is God who sits on the Throne who is the creator and is the Only God to be worshipped as God.
Quote 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Love in Christ,
MartyGood point, Marty.
Not to mention that the ONLY one called “God” in Revelation is the Father. Jesus is listed as the Lamb OF God, who is obviously someone OTHER THAN God. And many times Revelation refers to “God AND the Lamb”.
How some people understand that clear language to mean that only one is being spoken of is beyond me. And for those who will right now point out, “But they ARE two persons“, I will say, “Yes, and which ONE of those two persons is refered to as “God”?
peace,
mikeQuote (david @ July 15 2011,00:28) It's interesting that you say it is “clear” who we should worship, and then you go ahead and point out scriptures that deal with who we should love (rather than pointing out what you said was so clear)
What's even more interesting is how Kathi comes to her conclusion that Jesus is God from any of those passages. After all, many were called “Lord”, right?Kathi, perhaps you could break that long post up into individual sentences or paragraphs and tell us how the wording in them teaches us that Jesus is God Almighty.
mike
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